A wikipedian messaged me the following just now: " I see you're doing a nice job of defending Miss Raval. You should be a lawyer."
My email is not meant to defend any person nor accuse any person. On an unrelated note, there is a fall in the level of trust around here that I have experienced. There is no good faith, any longer. Regards, Pradeep On 25 March 2012 15:58, Pradeep Mohandas <[email protected]> wrote: > hi Anirudh, > > My reply is in-line. > > On 25 March 2012 14:30, Anirudh Bhati <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Pradeep Mohandas >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > A bunch of observations: >> > 1. I've never seen such scrutiny of any Wikipedian's contributions. I'm >> > disappointed also to see this scrutiny being done by only a section of >> the >> > community. I think the Indian community needs to speak up on this - >> whether >> > for or against such scrutiny even if being done under particular >> > circumstances. This must be done, in my opinion, in a way that shows the >> > scrutiny is only wrt the particular condition while still respecting the >> > editor for tAking the time and editing Wikipedia. >> >> Please be clear when making statements such as these. What scrutiny >> are you talking about? Stating that a recently hired communications >> consultant has close to zero experience editing Wikpedia is quite >> relevant to discussions that happen during IRC office hours, specially >> in the light of the fact that Hisham has previously stated that no >> established Wikipedians applied for work with India Programs. > > > Please read my statement in its entirety. It is pretty clear. I did not > think that your line of questioning was Wikipedian-like. My > suggestion/observation here was to inform the Wikipedian in question or at > least for the record, that the question was only in relation to the WMF > Office position and not as a Wikipedian. There is the question of how you > define expertise. I have been on Wikipedia for 5 years but have still not > read many of the rules there or participated in many discussions. I just > use common sense and civility in my edits and discussions on Wikipedia and > its talk pages. So, I clearly would not meet your definition of "expert". > The number of edits or the years of experience that a person has on > Wikipedia cannot and should not define expertise. Have you questioned the > Wikipedian in question on the person's understanding of Wikipedia's rules > to state that the person does not know the ways of Wikipedia, purely based > on the fact that the person has been a Wikipedian only for 2 months. The > person may have been a Wikipedian only for 2 months but might know more > than a Wikipedian who has been editing for the last 5 years. > > >> >> >> Foundation employees and consultants are likely to be scrutinized more >> than regular WP'ians, because they are paid for the work they do. >> These are community funds we are talking about raised because our >> community works their ass off to produce the content that's present on >> our projects. In the discussion linked above, it is quite apparent >> that Hisham hired a newbie user even when there was a much more >> qualified candidate available. >> > Are Wikipedians scrutinised at all was my general question, above. I > support that WMF employees and consultants must be scrutinized by the > community and must be scrutinised more. They must also be scrutinised when > they are working on projects like GLAM. I thank you for taking a proactive > role on this. My only point here was that more community members must join > in to make sure that a single or a group of Wikipedians do not push POV. > >> >> For now, nobody on the India Programs team has any decent experience >> editing articles on the English Wikipedia, in short, they are all >> newbies. > > > I would humbly disagree with you here. I have no time nor inclination to > raise evidence in support of my claim. You are entitled to your opinion on > this point, of course. But, again it is a single person's POV that this is > the case. Again, I would not take the community's silence as agreement with > this statement. If the community does agree with this statement, I would > still not, as I am entitled to. > > >> And this has continued despite the community asking for >> old-hands and despite Hisham's assurances that he is looking for >> someone intimately familiar with WP processes. >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program/Analysis/Independent_Report_from_Tory_Read >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program/Analysis/Independent_Report_from_Tory_Read&diff=prev&oldid=473097755 >> >> Is this too much to ask for? >> > > I don't know. > > >> I must also point out that the stated selection criteria and >> responsibilities in the case of the Communications Consultant and >> Operations Consultant were altered after the candidates were >> announced. We want expert Wikipedians and not social media >> consultants because we are looking at increasing participation on our >> projects, and not enhancing the social media experience. >> > > I can only request that the Office stand by the selection criteria and > responsibilities that it lays down at the beginning of the process. Whether > the Office must disclose all the reasons for selecting a candidate over > other candidates is a sticky issue. It is not general practice to reveal > these points in public. I am not sure whether it would be responsible > practice on Wikipedia either. While I support disclosure of the reasons for > a candidate's choice, I am not sure how responsible or practical it is. > > I hope this clarifies my statements adequately. If you still have doubts > please raise it over email only. I will try and get back to you asap. > > warm regards, > Pradeep > > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > > > > -- > How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 > > > -- How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
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