Request you all to now take this matter to the WP:INCOTM talk page. --Regards, Srikanth.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Pratik Lahoti <pr4tiklah...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Karthik Nadar <karthik...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi Dwaipayan C, >> >> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dwaipayan Chakraborti < >> dwaipay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Whatever has happened, do we have any other editor who is somewhat >>> experienced and willing to take the responsibility of the coordinator of >>> the weekly collaboration? >>> >>> There is not many nominations in the page. Although "The Special User" >>> could be a good coordinator, apparently he is taking a wiki break. And the >>> other candidate, Kruttika, I feel does not have enough experience in >>> en.wikipedia. >>> >> >> I was thinking if both of them can work together as Coordinator and >> c-coordinator???? Fine? On the process, Krutikka would also learn, and >> yeah, TheSpecialUser looks for me as the best candidate. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >>> >>> Anyone else interested? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dwaipayan Chakraborti >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:00 AM, >>> wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: >>> >>> > Send Wikimediaindia-l mailing list submissions to >>> > wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > >>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> > wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > >>> > You can reach the person managing the list at >>> > wikimediaindia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > >>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> > than "Re: Contents of Wikimediaindia-l digest..." >>> > >>> > >>> > Today's Topics: >>> > >>> > 1. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer >>> > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar) >>> > 2. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer >>> > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Vikram Vincent) >>> > 3. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer >>> > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Pratik Lahoti) >>> > 4. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer >>> > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar) >>> > 5. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer >>> > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar) >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > Message: 1 >>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:29:36 +0530 >>> > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> >>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list >>> > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the >>> > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <caf2qyrcj-02+ocby9rmk+zhgw5pvdxrrtqeq-yplscei8hr...@mail.gmail.com >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> > >>> > Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik, >>> > >>> > Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/project, we >>> > run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I >>> was >>> > co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let >>> it >>> > unupdated for a week to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He was >>> > also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I asked >>> him >>> > if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's >>> it. I >>> > have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our >>> Wikipedia. >>> > >>> > In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and >>> had to >>> > send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open >>> "nominations" >>> > for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too >>> > complicated for a simple situation. >>> > >>> > If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the >>> project >>> > listed at >>> > >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members >>> > >>> > I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it. >>> > >>> > This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk >>> > pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki >>> workshop >>> > to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you >>> go by >>> > that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for >>> > coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess. >>> > >>> > I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the >>> scope of >>> > this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe >>> :) >>> > >>> > Ravi >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/ba6c3759/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 2 >>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:53:30 +0530 >>> > From: Vikram Vincent <vincentvik...@gmail.com> >>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list >>> > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the >>> > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <CALbAbwJ+ufPt5RpRL4Pt30=rpfv7d31wfgbpbjvtkeeeuqp...@mail.gmail.com >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> > >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > On 28 September 2012 20:29, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the >>> scope of >>> >> this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply >>> unsubscribe :) >>> > >>> > Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the >>> > primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki >>> > talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but >>> > the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page >>> > updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened >>> > and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not >>> > sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise. >>> > Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have >>> > acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such >>> > mails. There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow >>> > us to delete mails which we do not want to read. I hope you can >>> > appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your >>> > interests. >>> > Thank you for your patience. >>> > With warm wishes, >>> > Vikram Vincent >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 3 >>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:54:23 +0530 >>> > From: Pratik Lahoti <pr4tiklah...@gmail.com> >>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list >>> > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the >>> > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <CACBdSKpEZfY=uJvi0v4BOn_q0=jec6joqs2a8d_f22j7aab...@mail.gmail.com >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> > >>> > Hi Ravishankar, >>> > >>> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik, >>> >> >>> >> Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/project, we >>> >> run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I >>> was >>> >> co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let >>> it >>> >> unupdated for a week to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He >>> was >>> >> also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I >>> asked him >>> >> if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's >>> it. I >>> >> have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our >>> Wikipedia. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions. >>> Well, >>> > INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail on >>> > this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to >>> > inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing again >>> and >>> > again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel that >>> I >>> > should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply for >>> the >>> > post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote >>> for >>> > them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future, >>> seeking >>> > everyone's opinion. >>> > >>> > I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have >>> agreed. >>> > But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad later on not >>> > even being asked whether he/she wants to apply. >>> > >>> > >>> >> In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and >>> had to >>> >> send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open >>> "nominations" >>> >> for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too >>> >> complicated for a simple situation. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > If you dint like those words, I'm sorry. >>> > >>> > >>> >> If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the >>> project >>> >> listed at >>> >> >>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members >>> > >>> > >>> >> I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it. >>> >> >>> > >>> > We are in the process of finding one. Hold on. >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk >>> >> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki >>> workshop >>> >> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you >>> go by >>> >> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for >>> >> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess. >>> >> >>> >> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no pleasure. >>> > There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other members >>> have >>> > been repeatedly telling you. >>> > >>> > >>> >> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the >>> scope >>> >> of this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply >>> unsubscribe :) >>> >> >>> >> Even I respect your opinion, and I mean it. But I find this >>> conversation >>> > is going somewhere else. The purpose was to get a new co-ordinator. >>> But we >>> > are discussing what should be on this list and what should not. >>> > >>> > I leave this conversation, peacefully. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Warm Regards, >>> > *Pratik Lahoti* >>> > User:BPositive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPositive> >>> > >>> > *Speak less, work more....* >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/ce69c7ae/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 4 >>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:48:18 +0530 >>> > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> >>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list >>> > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the >>> > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <CAF2QyrDwgwK_F+gd7QS1cpXFye_fhnnequ=+pye4ywy_jvq...@mail.gmail.com >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> > >>> >> Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the >>> >> primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki >>> >> talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but >>> >> the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page >>> >> updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened >>> >> and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not >>> >> sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise. >>> >> >>> > >>> > Isn't English Wikipedia the most sophisticated and evolved one? Hint: >>> > Watch list. >>> > >>> > If someone is not actively following a project, then how is he fit to >>> > coordinate it? >>> > >>> > Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have >>> >> acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such >>> >> mails. There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow >>> >> us to delete mails which we do not want to read. I hope you can >>> >> appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your >>> >> interests. >>> >> >>> > >>> > I wouldn't have brought up this conversation if this was just a spam >>> issue. >>> > I simply felt that coordinating an on-wiki task through mailing list >>> is not >>> > a best practice. >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/1f9d749f/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 5 >>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:54:10 +0530 >>> > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> >>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list >>> > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the >>> > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <CAF2QyrA0u=Dg28VTe_ge=Z2v3ERGhLco6-Ga3O=7ze61oux...@mail.gmail.com >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> > >>> >> I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions. >>> Well, >>> >> INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail >>> on >>> >> this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to >>> >> inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing >>> again and >>> >> again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel >>> that I >>> >> should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply >>> for the >>> >> post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote >>> for >>> >> them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future, >>> seeking >>> >> everyone's opinion. >>> >> >>> > >>> > This is not how I work or you work. It is about how a wiki should >>> work. I >>> > quoted my experience to provide a context for my mail. Aren't there >>> 100s of >>> > projects / elections running in En Wiki? Does everyone use mailing >>> lists? >>> > >>> > >>> >> I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have >>> >> agreed. But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad >>> later on >>> >> not even being asked whether he/she wants to apply. >>> >> >>> > >>> > I am sorry that you didn't get the point yet. Where is the point of >>> feeling >>> > bad when you can do it on-wiki transparently and everyone can see it? >>> > Nomination is a needless procedure but still it is ok if you wanted to >>> > follow a procedure. >>> > >>> > This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk >>> >>> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki >>> workshop >>> >>> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if >>> you go by >>> >>> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for >>> >>> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess. >>> >>> >>> >>> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no >>> pleasure. >>> >> There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other >>> members have >>> >> been repeatedly telling you. >>> >> >>> > >>> > May be if I start sending mails about everyday activities in Tamil >>> > Wikipedia, then you will understand the issue. There are many Tamils >>> here >>> > who are not in Tamil Wikipedia. So, may be we too will have a good >>> chance >>> > to find good volunteers :) >>> > >>> > But we are discussing what should be on this list and what should not. >>> >> >>> > >>> > Is discussing that beyond the scope of this list :) >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> I leave this conversation, peacefully. >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > Ditto :) >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> > URL: < >>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/adc95267/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> > >>> > >>> > End of Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 281, Issue 1 >>> > ************************************************ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and regards, >> (User:Karthikndr <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karthikndr>) >> *Karthik Nadar.* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > I agree with Karthik. No hard and fast rule of having a single > co-ordinator. We can go for two. But lets decide fast. > Krutikaa, I believe has extremely good communication skills and > TheSpecialUser is a fantastic Wikipedian! Both working together, might work > out, in my opinion. If others agree to the same, I'll send them an email > informing them about the same. > > -- > Warm Regards, > *Pratik Lahoti* > User:BPositive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPositive> > > *Speak less, work more....* > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Sign this petition to introduce Volvo buses in Coimbatore city: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore
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