The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the stats for Tulu ?
No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!! Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one month's. Ansuman On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote: > Editors with 10 edit count? > That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop > itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good > measure of success. > Are there any real metrics being used? > On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" <pavan...@vishvakannada.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Ravi, >> >> >> >> 1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome: >> >> >> >> Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned - >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live. >> >> >> Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)- >> >> >> >> >> The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this: >> >> · 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages. >> >> · 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just >> one edit. >> >> · 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts. >> >> >> >> Now please take a look at the stats at this page - >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%2Ftcy&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404. >> I am extracting the same data for current - >> >> · 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages. >> >> · 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just >> one edit. >> >> · 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts. >> >> These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not >> wasted efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats >> page you may also notice that Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep >> 2009 till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let >> us hope the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep >> contributing to Tulu Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all. >> >> >> >> 2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore: >> >> >> >> It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia. >> But the program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue >> to write for Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add >> content to Kannada Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many >> students. There are quite a good number of students who are passionate >> about enriching Kannada language and bringing latest knowledge into Kannada >> by way of adding articles to Kannada Wikipedia. Nurturing those students >> will help not only Kannada Wikipedia but also Kannada language and people >> in general. Again, I would emphasis, let us be optimistic. >> >> >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> Pavanaja >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Ravishankar >> *Sent:* 17 May 2014 16:40 >> *To:* Wikimedia India Community list >> *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia >> >> >> >> MarHey, >> >> Any community member here from Kannada Wikipedia? >> >> I would like to understand the outcome of CIS work there. >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-02/News_and_notes >> >> lists one of the lessons learned as follows: >> >> //Single-session, general-audience outreach has negligible impact >> everywhere (for example, just giving a single talk about Wikipedia to >> whoever shows up--the conversion rate to editors is tiny, and yet we keep >> *doing* it".// >> >> (Do give a full read of that whole section 1.3 Lessons learned) >> >> Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs >> many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where >> there is active editor community at all. >> >> To quote Asaf again: >> >> //So just what *has* the Foundation learned about the criteria for >> funding successful activities? Bartov first talked about a fundamental >> prerequisite: >> >> "The *sine qua non* of most programs is a core of self-motivating active >> editors. Most of the things you want to do, most of the things chapters in >> the global north are doing, depend on this core. It can be as small as four >> or five people, but those people need to be actual active editors ... who >> edit because they like it, they enjoy editing Wikipedia or Commons, they >> get it, and they are inherently committed to our principles like NPOV; not >> people who are editing because there's a contest on and they want to win >> the laptop. >> >> "Where that core doesn't exist, it's very hard to deploy any other type >> of program. If you want [a GLAM partnership] with the National Museum of >> Cameroon ... how are you going to deliver on what you promise the museum if >> you don't have local editors who will do the work - write the articles, >> show up to meet the curators. So this is the big, big challenge for which >> we don't have an answer: how do you grow such a core ... in a certain >> country? ... we're now cautious about active investment where there is not >> an active community--although it's still possible if you give us a really >> great idea."// >> >> The only outcome of such initiatives seem to be PR material like this: >> >> >> http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/wikipedia-taps-students-for-kannada-content/article5824580.ece >> >> where Pavanaja quotes as follows: >> >> //There was a significant increase in the number of editors after 500 >> students of Christ University, Bangalore, were trained in editing at a >> workshop held in January this year.// >> >> And when you look at Kannada Wikipedia stats, the user activity has >> returned to pre-education programme levels within a month >> >> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaKN.htm >> >> So, I would like to understand why the wheel is getting reinvented again >> and again with an insane budget besides documented evidence of WMF's >> learning on this. >> >> Stop doing paid outreach. >> >> >> >> Ravi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindiafirstname.lastname@example.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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