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Today's Topics:
1. Re: quickstatements for missing editions (Nicolas VIGNERON)
2. Hangout session (Nicolas VIGNERON)
3. Re: quickstatements for missing editions (Andrea Zanni)
4. Re: quickstatements for missing editions (Sam Wilson)
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:46:06 +0100
From: Nicolas VIGNERON <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions
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2017-10-31 18:45 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni <[email protected]>:
For the "work" concept, Italian Wikisource decided to create a real and
new namespace, "Opera" (which means work).
It's the one page where we store the links to multiple editions of a
certain book we have.
It's not a disambiguation page in the sense that a disambiguation page
works with different books from different authors with the same title
e.g. "Poems"...
Aubrey
I forgot about that too.
Aubrey; Could you tell us the advantage and inconvenient of this system
(and in comparison to the 'multiple editions' pages of the others
Wikisources).
Cdlt, ~nicolas
PS: this is the kind of question that would be interesting to have during a
hangout session like we had (I will write a separate mail to re-launch them)
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:03:31 +0100
From: Nicolas VIGNERON <[email protected]>
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Subject: [Wikisource-l] Hangout session
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Hi everyone,
>From January to April of this year, we had hangout session to talk more
directly about Wikisource (see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group#2017 for
the notes of these sessions).
Among subjects that can be discuss:
- Wikisource and Wikidata (and some infos about the WikidataCon in Berlin
last weekend)
- a second Wikisource conference in 2018 ?
- various issues or accomplishments you want to share or need help from
others
- the Wikisource Community User Group
What do you think of doing this again? Who would be interested to join? (it
was during week-end - Saturday or Sunday - afternoon to allow people from
all other the globe to join in, I suggest Saturday 4 from 14:00 UTC to
15:00 UTC
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=November+Wikisource+Hangout&iso=2017-11-04T14:00:00
).
Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 22:27:46 +0100
From: Andrea Zanni <[email protected]>
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>From a Wikidata point of view, it's really good to have one dedicated page
ofr the "work" and different ones for the "editions": you can structure
both Wikisource and Wikidata with a clear structure, without ambiguities.
This is an example of a Wikisource Work page:
https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Opera:Filocolo
These are very important books that have had different editions in the
past, and a dedicated namespace is good so you can have
* dedicated templates
* dedicated categories
* dedicated layout
A disambiguation page is in ns0, and it's conceptually different from a
"multiple edition" page... So in this way is easy to tell the difference.
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON <
[email protected]> wrote:
2017-10-31 18:45 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni <[email protected]>:
For the "work" concept, Italian Wikisource decided to create a real and
new namespace, "Opera" (which means work).
It's the one page where we store the links to multiple editions of a
certain book we have.
It's not a disambiguation page in the sense that a disambiguation page
works with different books from different authors with the same title
e.g. "Poems"...
Aubrey
I forgot about that too.
Aubrey; Could you tell us the advantage and inconvenient of this system
(and in comparison to the 'multiple editions' pages of the others
Wikisources).
Cdlt, ~nicolas
PS: this is the kind of question that would be interesting to have during
a hangout session like we had (I will write a separate mail to re-launch
them)
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 07:54:23 +0800
From: Sam Wilson <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions
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And I guess that's independent of the actual titles of the editions? I
mean, different editions could have different titles, but you'd still
list them all on the same Opera page?
So, if we were focusing only on pages that are not yet linked to
Wikidata, for Italian it'd be easy in that anything in mainspace is an
edition, is that right?
Does Italian have a Category:Mainspace disambiguation pages (Q26961321)?
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, at 01:45 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
For the "work" concept, Italian Wikisource decided to create a real
and new namespace, "Opera" (which means work).> It's the one page where we
store the links to multiple editions of a
certain book we have.>
It's not a disambiguation page in the sense that a disambiguation page
works with different books from different authors with the same title> e.g.
"Poems"...
Aubrey
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Pellissier Tanon <thomas@pellissier-
tanon.fr> wrote:>> An other point: here is a link to your 'Wikidata project" on
the
french Wikisource. We plan to build here to document what we do
around Wikisource&Wikidata:
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Projet_Wikidata>>
Sorry for the spam,
Cheers,
Thomas
Le 31 oct. 2017 à 16:14, Thomas Pellissier Tanon <thomas@pellissier-
tanon.fr> a écrit :>> >
Hello Sam,
Thank you for this nice feature!
I have created a few months ago a prototype of Wikisource to
Wikidata importation tool for the French Wikisource based on the
schema.org annotation I have added to the main header template (I
definitely think we should move from our custom microformat to this
schema.org markup that could be much more structured). It's not yet
ready but I plan to move it forward in the coming weeks. A
beginning of frontend to add to your Wikidata common.js is here:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Tpt/ws2wd.js>> > We should probably find a
way to merge the two projects.
Cheers,
Thomas
Le 31 oct. 2017 à 15:10, Nicolas VIGNERON
<[email protected]> a écrit :>> >>
2017-10-31 13:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <[email protected]>:
Sorry, I am much more of a Wikidatan than a Wikisourcerer! I was
referring to items like this one>> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21125368
No need to be sorry, that is actually a good question and this
example is even better (I totally forgot this kind of case).>> >>
For now, this is probably better to deal with it by hands (and I'm
not sure what this tools can even do for this).>> >>
Cdlt, ~nicolas
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