I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of multiple namespaces in wikis. They're mostly not necessary! :-) (Don't worry, I'm not suggesting getting rid of any either.) And certainly, from the point of view of integrating Wikidata and moving towards better metadata and searchability, I don't think we need all Wikisources to unify on any particular set of namespaces. I think any future metadata system must just work with all the different current set- ups (and I think it can, quite well). —Sam.
On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, at 05:21 PM, Anika Born wrote: > Billinghurst, > > That might work for me, with a Login. > > But does this also work for random readers, who don't have a login? > Who don't know, that there are preferences (and especially what can be > done with them?)> > But more important: please don't (just) focus in namespaces for every > Wikisource-Project. You might loose at least de.WS. I can't see > changing something, that works fine for this project... Especially > not to change a system, that is quite different, from what they have > now. That is all I am asking for. de.ws is working with templates to > differ, not with namespaces.> > for instance Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: [1] > > Goethe was an author, but there are also works about Goethe. In de.ws > portal-page and author-page about Geothe are merged in one. There is > no difference. Don't expect something else.> > Best, Anika > > 2017-11-02 9:07 GMT+01:00 billinghurst <[email protected]>: >> __ >> Anika, >> >> That is matter long resolved in my opinion with the change in the >> default search namespaces that the communities made, and similarly >> with our redefining content namespaces. While main namespace will >> always take preference to the other nss in results, they show up >> pretty quickly where you have an intitle: match.>> >> At enWS I would say that we lost more searches to subpages, so with >> the ability to change your search preferences with subphrase matches, >> much of that is addressed (though it is not the default search >> configuration at this point).>> >> The completion suggester[2] is an algorithm for search suggestions >> with better typo correction and search relevance.>> >> Default (recommended) >> Corrects up to two typos. Resolves close redirects. >> >> Subphrase matching (recommended for longer page titles) >> Corrects up to two typos. Resolves close redirects. Matches subphrase >> in titles.>> >> Strict mode (advanced) >> No typo correction. No accent folding. Strict matching. >> >> Redirect mode (advanced) >> No typo correction. Resolves close redirects. >> >> Redirect mode with subphrase matching (advanced) >> No typo correction. Resolves close redirects. Matches subphrase in >> titles.>> >> Regards, Billinghurst >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Anika Born" <[email protected]> >> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <wikisource- >> [email protected]>>> >> Sent: 2/11/2017 6:37:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] wikisource "work" pages or "multiple >> editions" pages>> >>> 2017-11-01 16:40 GMT+01:00 Nicolas VIGNERON >>> <[email protected]>:>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From afar, the Opera: pages on it.ws are very close to the pages >>>> with the template {{Éditions}} on fr.ws or the template >>>> {{Versions}} on en.ws (and similar system elsewhere).>>>> >>>> The main difference is having a separate namespace A second major >>>> difference is that the templates on fr.ws and en.ws are very light >>>> while the {{Opera}} template took data from Wikidata (but that's an >>>> independent problem, it's possible to change the {{Éditions}} or >>>> {{Versions}} templates to do exactly the same thing without having >>>> a specific namespace).>>>> >>>> I'm almost convinced too, but in order to create a new namespace on >>>> a project you have to convinced the local community. That's why I'm >>>> still playing the Devil's advocate role and want to learn about the >>>> inconvenients of this system>>> >>> A reason why there are no different namespaces for work-, edition-, >>> author-, list- and other portal pages in de.ws is the ws-search. >>> When you are looking for "Goethe" in the (simple) search (as readers >>> may do) on WS, you might get to>>> * >>> https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Tafellied,_zu_Goethe%E2%80%99s_Geburtstage >>> but not to>>> * >>> https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe[3] with >>> all the interesting stuff, if that page was in another >>> namespace...>>> >>> So there was the desition to use templates (and categories) for >>> these different kind of pages: >>> https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Seiten_zu_Autoren,_Texten,_Themen,_Listen>>> >>> >>> I think German Wikisource Community won't give this up and switch to >>> using multiple namespaces (besides Wikisource: and Page:namespace).>>> >>> Best >>> Anika >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > _________________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l Links: 1. https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe#Bibliographien 2. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:CirrusSearch/CompletionSuggester 3. https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe#Bibliographien
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