Skype sounds great! Also, I heard you work with Ariel, which is great because that way you have a more local person to contact with MediaWiki questions. Perhaps we can get off-list with those interested to schedule an introductory meeting? (You, me, Magnus, Ariel, others?) I am located in the Netherlands, so our hours will be similar.
Cheers, Jan Paul On 19-Jan-2011, at 19:47, Panos Louridas wrote: > Thanks to both Jean Paul and Magnus for taking up the offer! > > Based on your input I will look into our developer tool for people with > expertise in the following: > > * Advanced JS, preferably with experience in optimisation issues etc. > > * UI design, usability testing, etc. > > * Text processing (of sorts) for the needs of SLE > > (if you believe I am missing something, say so) > > I expect to have the people in place in February, I will let you know. I will > be following the list. > > Jean Paul indicated that we might talk in more detail. I do not follow IRC > because of my tight schedule; I do use Skype, however (ID: louridas). Please > Jean Paul, Magnus, and others, let me know if that suits you. As I am located > in Athens, my waking hours are around East European Time. > > Cheers, > > Panos. > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: > >> A very generous offer indeed! >> >> My own SLE and Magnus' WYSIFTW are indeed the most active projects, so that >> would be a good bet. Actually, for me the timing is just right, as I'll be >> working on a paper about this editor for a while, so it'd be cool to have >> someone(s) continue the project. If one of your researchers has a brilliant >> idea on how to do this right, that would obviously be really valuable too. >> >> A lot of things Magnus mentioned apply to my project too: >> * Improving detection algorithms, i.e. better sentence-level editing >> (perhaps using an external language recognition library), better detection >> of other elements. Keep in mind that the editor excludes anything it doesn't >> 'understand', so this is a nice fallback, you don't have to write a complex >> parser that detects a lot of stuff at once. >> * Cross-browser/platform/device compatibility (think mobile, touchscreens, >> etc.) >> * Usability testing (the more the merrier!) >> * Verifying detection coverage (Which % of the wikitext is editable) and >> quality (Wikitext -> Adding markers -> MediaWiki parser -> Removing markings >> -> Wikitext??) Checking this on a large number of pages. >> * Test suites (again, the more the merrier, but only for parts of the code >> and interface that are considered stable!) >> * Lots of implementation details: embedding the (current) editor toolbar in >> the textboxes, making sure (a fair percentage of) gadgets still work with >> this, and handling unusual cases like edit conflicts, etc. >> >> Perhaps it'd be good to have a (video or IRC?) conversation with you, your >> developers, people from the Foundation, and people from the specific >> projects you want to contribute to. Again, really awesome that you guys want >> to work on this! :-) >> >> Best regards, >> Jan Paul >> >> On 19-Jan-2011, at 9:55, Magnus Manske wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Panos Louridas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> At the Greek Research and Education Network (GRNET) we look at the >>>> possibility of contributing to the development of WYSIWYG editor support >>>> in Wikipedia. We understand that considerable work has already taken place >>>> in the area, e.g.: >>>> >>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIFTW >>>> * https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/RTE/ >>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:JanPaul123/Sentence-level_editing >>>> >>>> We therefore think that it will not be productive to reinvent the wheel >>>> over here. >>>> >>>> Our contribution can take the form of providing developers that will >>>> devote part (or all) of their time for some months in 2011. We welcome any >>>> comments and suggestions on how we could push this forward, and in >>>> particular: >>>> >>>> * Specific tasks / components that need to be designed, developed, >>>> optimized, etc., and estimates of effort and timeframe. >>> >>> Hi Panos, >>> >>> a very generous offer! One I would like to take you up on, for WYSIFTW >>> as you no doubt have guessed :-) >>> >>> WYSIFTW is approaching feature completeness, as far as wiki markup >>> parsing is concerned, and improves on usability as well. (just try the >>> new "floating context hover boxes", in lack of a better name, that I >>> added last night, wich come up when you hover over a template or a >>> references, for show/hide and rendered preview, and the new optional >>> rendering for templates as a key-value-pair table) >>> >>> For support later this year, tasks would include >>> * increase parsing performance (mostly post-parsing steps, focusing on >>> DOM lookup and manipulation) >>> * improve editing usability (cut/copy/paste, better specialised >>> dialogs for images, table/row/cell properties etc.) >>> * usability testing (I'm using up volunteers fast ;-) >>> * creating a test suite (to make sure that changes don't accidentally >>> break anything) >>> * general compatibility testing (find pages that parse/unparse >>> wrongly, and patch the code accordingly) >>> >>> I like the sentence-level editing function, but once I add >>> section-level editing to WYSIFTW, these two will start to converge. >>> I'm curious which of these will be more suited to small fixes and >>> adding single sentences/references etc. >>> >>> As for RTE, I know little about. Apparently, it is not suitable for >>> Wikipedia in its current form. From brief looks at CKeditor, it might >>> be quite some work to make it behave nicely around parsed wikitext, as >>> used on Wikipedia. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Magnus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
