Picking up on the usability testing, Since we do not have a dedicated usability lab (but we do have people that have carried out usability studies), we will have to create something ourselves.
I understand that the basic requirements are the ability to capture both the screen and the user; and to capture them in a synchronized way. >From some research that we did, we came up with the following setups: (1) Telestream ScreenFlow (http://www.telestream.net/screen-flow/overview.htm) (2) Mac OS 10.6 podcast capture (but this requires a podcast server, i.e., Mac OS 10.6 server, and I am not sure it's worth it). (3) Matterhorn capture (http://www.opencastproject.org/matterhorn_capture) We are leaning towards solution (1). We welcome any comments, any alternative solutions that we may explore, or any arguments for (2) and (3). Cheers, Panos. On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: > So a few minutes ago we've had a conversation about this. Panos will set up a > public collaboration space within GRNET. A few developers will be (part-time) > working on this from February for a (so far) unspecified amount of time. The > consensus was that it would be good to start off with some basic usability > testing, to see how well the different tools work for novice users. It'll be > very basic testing, with about 10 subjects from within GRNET (so with a bit > of technical bias) but only those who haven't edited before. > > Both Magnus' and my tools will be implemented on a clone of the Greek > Wikipedia and we will set up a fabricated article that works well with both > of our editors. It's only about the usability, not about technical aspects > for now. Both editing tools will have to be adapted and localised, perhaps > this can even be done by GRNET developers. We'll use my usability script that > I used before with the Sentence-Level Editing usability research. > > Once this usability testing has been done, we'll decide how to distribute the > efforts, and what will be done. We'll work closely with the GRNET developers > to assist them in working on these projects. Once we'll have more information > it will be posted to this list. > > Cheers, > Jan Paul > > On 19-Jan-2011, at 23:34, Magnus Manske wrote: > >> I have added Panos to Skype; yes, we should probably exchange Skype >> handles off-list. >> >> I am in Cambridge (London time), so that should work. >> >> Cheers, >> Magnus >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jan Paul Posma <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Skype sounds great! Also, I heard you work with Ariel, which is great >>> because that way you have a more local person to contact with MediaWiki >>> questions. Perhaps we can get off-list with those interested to schedule an >>> introductory meeting? (You, me, Magnus, Ariel, others?) I am located in the >>> Netherlands, so our hours will be similar. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jan Paul >>> >>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 19:47, Panos Louridas wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks to both Jean Paul and Magnus for taking up the offer! >>>> >>>> Based on your input I will look into our developer tool for people with >>>> expertise in the following: >>>> >>>> * Advanced JS, preferably with experience in optimisation issues etc. >>>> >>>> * UI design, usability testing, etc. >>>> >>>> * Text processing (of sorts) for the needs of SLE >>>> >>>> (if you believe I am missing something, say so) >>>> >>>> I expect to have the people in place in February, I will let you know. I >>>> will be following the list. >>>> >>>> Jean Paul indicated that we might talk in more detail. I do not follow IRC >>>> because of my tight schedule; I do use Skype, however (ID: louridas). >>>> Please Jean Paul, Magnus, and others, let me know if that suits you. As I >>>> am located in Athens, my waking hours are around East European Time. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Panos. >>>> >>>> On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: >>>> >>>>> A very generous offer indeed! >>>>> >>>>> My own SLE and Magnus' WYSIFTW are indeed the most active projects, so >>>>> that would be a good bet. Actually, for me the timing is just right, as >>>>> I'll be working on a paper about this editor for a while, so it'd be cool >>>>> to have someone(s) continue the project. If one of your researchers has a >>>>> brilliant idea on how to do this right, that would obviously be really >>>>> valuable too. >>>>> >>>>> A lot of things Magnus mentioned apply to my project too: >>>>> * Improving detection algorithms, i.e. better sentence-level editing >>>>> (perhaps using an external language recognition library), better >>>>> detection of other elements. Keep in mind that the editor excludes >>>>> anything it doesn't 'understand', so this is a nice fallback, you don't >>>>> have to write a complex parser that detects a lot of stuff at once. >>>>> * Cross-browser/platform/device compatibility (think mobile, >>>>> touchscreens, etc.) >>>>> * Usability testing (the more the merrier!) >>>>> * Verifying detection coverage (Which % of the wikitext is editable) and >>>>> quality (Wikitext -> Adding markers -> MediaWiki parser -> Removing >>>>> markings -> Wikitext??) Checking this on a large number of pages. >>>>> * Test suites (again, the more the merrier, but only for parts of the >>>>> code and interface that are considered stable!) >>>>> * Lots of implementation details: embedding the (current) editor toolbar >>>>> in the textboxes, making sure (a fair percentage of) gadgets still work >>>>> with this, and handling unusual cases like edit conflicts, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps it'd be good to have a (video or IRC?) conversation with you, >>>>> your developers, people from the Foundation, and people from the specific >>>>> projects you want to contribute to. Again, really awesome that you guys >>>>> want to work on this! :-) >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Jan Paul >>>>> >>>>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 9:55, Magnus Manske wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Panos Louridas <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the Greek Research and Education Network (GRNET) we look at the >>>>>>> possibility of contributing to the development of WYSIWYG editor >>>>>>> support in Wikipedia. We understand that considerable work has already >>>>>>> taken place in the area, e.g.: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIFTW >>>>>>> * https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/RTE/ >>>>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:JanPaul123/Sentence-level_editing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We therefore think that it will not be productive to reinvent the wheel >>>>>>> over here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our contribution can take the form of providing developers that will >>>>>>> devote part (or all) of their time for some months in 2011. We welcome >>>>>>> any comments and suggestions on how we could push this forward, and in >>>>>>> particular: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Specific tasks / components that need to be designed, developed, >>>>>>> optimized, etc., and estimates of effort and timeframe. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Panos, >>>>>> >>>>>> a very generous offer! One I would like to take you up on, for WYSIFTW >>>>>> as you no doubt have guessed :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> WYSIFTW is approaching feature completeness, as far as wiki markup >>>>>> parsing is concerned, and improves on usability as well. (just try the >>>>>> new "floating context hover boxes", in lack of a better name, that I >>>>>> added last night, wich come up when you hover over a template or a >>>>>> references, for show/hide and rendered preview, and the new optional >>>>>> rendering for templates as a key-value-pair table) >>>>>> >>>>>> For support later this year, tasks would include >>>>>> * increase parsing performance (mostly post-parsing steps, focusing on >>>>>> DOM lookup and manipulation) >>>>>> * improve editing usability (cut/copy/paste, better specialised >>>>>> dialogs for images, table/row/cell properties etc.) >>>>>> * usability testing (I'm using up volunteers fast ;-) >>>>>> * creating a test suite (to make sure that changes don't accidentally >>>>>> break anything) >>>>>> * general compatibility testing (find pages that parse/unparse >>>>>> wrongly, and patch the code accordingly) >>>>>> >>>>>> I like the sentence-level editing function, but once I add >>>>>> section-level editing to WYSIFTW, these two will start to converge. >>>>>> I'm curious which of these will be more suited to small fixes and >>>>>> adding single sentences/references etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for RTE, I know little about. Apparently, it is not suitable for >>>>>> Wikipedia in its current form. 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