We could, if the people captured agree. Two caveats: (1) Much of the audio could be all Greek to most.
(2) Does releasing to Wikimedia Commons requiring transcoding to an open format? On Jan 22, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: > I used the open source Camstudio, but (1) seems to be better as you can > simultaneously capture the camera image. One question I didn't think of > during the meeting: are you planning on releasing the videos online (e.g. on > Wikimedia Commons)? > > Cheers, > Jan Paul > > On 22-Jan-2011, at 14:29, Panos Louridas wrote: > >> Picking up on the usability testing, >> >> Since we do not have a dedicated usability lab (but we do have people that >> have carried out usability studies), we will have to create something >> ourselves. >> >> I understand that the basic requirements are the ability to capture both the >> screen and the user; and to capture them in a synchronized way. >> >> From some research that we did, we came up with the following setups: >> >> (1) Telestream ScreenFlow >> (http://www.telestream.net/screen-flow/overview.htm) >> >> (2) Mac OS 10.6 podcast capture (but this requires a podcast server, i.e., >> Mac OS 10.6 server, and I am not sure it's worth it). >> >> (3) Matterhorn capture (http://www.opencastproject.org/matterhorn_capture) >> >> We are leaning towards solution (1). We welcome any comments, any >> alternative solutions that we may explore, or any arguments for (2) and (3). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Panos. >> >> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: >> >>> So a few minutes ago we've had a conversation about this. Panos will set up >>> a public collaboration space within GRNET. A few developers will be >>> (part-time) working on this from February for a (so far) unspecified amount >>> of time. The consensus was that it would be good to start off with some >>> basic usability testing, to see how well the different tools work for >>> novice users. It'll be very basic testing, with about 10 subjects from >>> within GRNET (so with a bit of technical bias) but only those who haven't >>> edited before. >>> >>> Both Magnus' and my tools will be implemented on a clone of the Greek >>> Wikipedia and we will set up a fabricated article that works well with both >>> of our editors. It's only about the usability, not about technical aspects >>> for now. Both editing tools will have to be adapted and localised, perhaps >>> this can even be done by GRNET developers. We'll use my usability script >>> that I used before with the Sentence-Level Editing usability research. >>> >>> Once this usability testing has been done, we'll decide how to distribute >>> the efforts, and what will be done. We'll work closely with the GRNET >>> developers to assist them in working on these projects. Once we'll have >>> more information it will be posted to this list. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jan Paul >>> >>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 23:34, Magnus Manske wrote: >>> >>>> I have added Panos to Skype; yes, we should probably exchange Skype >>>> handles off-list. >>>> >>>> I am in Cambridge (London time), so that should work. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Magnus >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jan Paul Posma <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Skype sounds great! Also, I heard you work with Ariel, which is great >>>>> because that way you have a more local person to contact with MediaWiki >>>>> questions. Perhaps we can get off-list with those interested to schedule >>>>> an introductory meeting? (You, me, Magnus, Ariel, others?) I am located >>>>> in the Netherlands, so our hours will be similar. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jan Paul >>>>> >>>>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 19:47, Panos Louridas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to both Jean Paul and Magnus for taking up the offer! >>>>>> >>>>>> Based on your input I will look into our developer tool for people with >>>>>> expertise in the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Advanced JS, preferably with experience in optimisation issues etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> * UI design, usability testing, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Text processing (of sorts) for the needs of SLE >>>>>> >>>>>> (if you believe I am missing something, say so) >>>>>> >>>>>> I expect to have the people in place in February, I will let you know. I >>>>>> will be following the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jean Paul indicated that we might talk in more detail. I do not follow >>>>>> IRC because of my tight schedule; I do use Skype, however (ID: >>>>>> louridas). Please Jean Paul, Magnus, and others, let me know if that >>>>>> suits you. As I am located in Athens, my waking hours are around East >>>>>> European Time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Panos. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A very generous offer indeed! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My own SLE and Magnus' WYSIFTW are indeed the most active projects, so >>>>>>> that would be a good bet. Actually, for me the timing is just right, as >>>>>>> I'll be working on a paper about this editor for a while, so it'd be >>>>>>> cool to have someone(s) continue the project. If one of your >>>>>>> researchers has a brilliant idea on how to do this right, that would >>>>>>> obviously be really valuable too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A lot of things Magnus mentioned apply to my project too: >>>>>>> * Improving detection algorithms, i.e. better sentence-level editing >>>>>>> (perhaps using an external language recognition library), better >>>>>>> detection of other elements. Keep in mind that the editor excludes >>>>>>> anything it doesn't 'understand', so this is a nice fallback, you don't >>>>>>> have to write a complex parser that detects a lot of stuff at once. >>>>>>> * Cross-browser/platform/device compatibility (think mobile, >>>>>>> touchscreens, etc.) >>>>>>> * Usability testing (the more the merrier!) >>>>>>> * Verifying detection coverage (Which % of the wikitext is editable) >>>>>>> and quality (Wikitext -> Adding markers -> MediaWiki parser -> Removing >>>>>>> markings -> Wikitext??) Checking this on a large number of pages. >>>>>>> * Test suites (again, the more the merrier, but only for parts of the >>>>>>> code and interface that are considered stable!) >>>>>>> * Lots of implementation details: embedding the (current) editor >>>>>>> toolbar in the textboxes, making sure (a fair percentage of) gadgets >>>>>>> still work with this, and handling unusual cases like edit conflicts, >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps it'd be good to have a (video or IRC?) conversation with you, >>>>>>> your developers, people from the Foundation, and people from the >>>>>>> specific projects you want to contribute to. Again, really awesome that >>>>>>> you guys want to work on this! :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Jan Paul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 9:55, Magnus Manske wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Panos Louridas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At the Greek Research and Education Network (GRNET) we look at the >>>>>>>>> possibility of contributing to the development of WYSIWYG editor >>>>>>>>> support in Wikipedia. We understand that considerable work has >>>>>>>>> already taken place in the area, e.g.: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIFTW >>>>>>>>> * https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/RTE/ >>>>>>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:JanPaul123/Sentence-level_editing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We therefore think that it will not be productive to reinvent the >>>>>>>>> wheel over here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our contribution can take the form of providing developers that will >>>>>>>>> devote part (or all) of their time for some months in 2011. We >>>>>>>>> welcome any comments and suggestions on how we could push this >>>>>>>>> forward, and in particular: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Specific tasks / components that need to be designed, developed, >>>>>>>>> optimized, etc., and estimates of effort and timeframe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Panos, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a very generous offer! One I would like to take you up on, for WYSIFTW >>>>>>>> as you no doubt have guessed :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WYSIFTW is approaching feature completeness, as far as wiki markup >>>>>>>> parsing is concerned, and improves on usability as well. (just try the >>>>>>>> new "floating context hover boxes", in lack of a better name, that I >>>>>>>> added last night, wich come up when you hover over a template or a >>>>>>>> references, for show/hide and rendered preview, and the new optional >>>>>>>> rendering for templates as a key-value-pair table) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For support later this year, tasks would include >>>>>>>> * increase parsing performance (mostly post-parsing steps, focusing on >>>>>>>> DOM lookup and manipulation) >>>>>>>> * improve editing usability (cut/copy/paste, better specialised >>>>>>>> dialogs for images, table/row/cell properties etc.) >>>>>>>> * usability testing (I'm using up volunteers fast ;-) >>>>>>>> * creating a test suite (to make sure that changes don't accidentally >>>>>>>> break anything) >>>>>>>> * general compatibility testing (find pages that parse/unparse >>>>>>>> wrongly, and patch the code accordingly) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I like the sentence-level editing function, but once I add >>>>>>>> section-level editing to WYSIFTW, these two will start to converge. >>>>>>>> I'm curious which of these will be more suited to small fixes and >>>>>>>> adding single sentences/references etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for RTE, I know little about. Apparently, it is not suitable for >>>>>>>> Wikipedia in its current form. From brief looks at CKeditor, it might >>>>>>>> be quite some work to make it behave nicely around parsed wikitext, as >>>>>>>> used on Wikipedia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Magnus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
