I used the open source Camstudio, but (1) seems to be better as you can simultaneously capture the camera image. One question I didn't think of during the meeting: are you planning on releasing the videos online (e.g. on Wikimedia Commons)?
Cheers, Jan Paul On 22-Jan-2011, at 14:29, Panos Louridas wrote: > Picking up on the usability testing, > > Since we do not have a dedicated usability lab (but we do have people that > have carried out usability studies), we will have to create something > ourselves. > > I understand that the basic requirements are the ability to capture both the > screen and the user; and to capture them in a synchronized way. > > From some research that we did, we came up with the following setups: > > (1) Telestream ScreenFlow (http://www.telestream.net/screen-flow/overview.htm) > > (2) Mac OS 10.6 podcast capture (but this requires a podcast server, i.e., > Mac OS 10.6 server, and I am not sure it's worth it). > > (3) Matterhorn capture (http://www.opencastproject.org/matterhorn_capture) > > We are leaning towards solution (1). We welcome any comments, any alternative > solutions that we may explore, or any arguments for (2) and (3). > > Cheers, > > Panos. > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: > >> So a few minutes ago we've had a conversation about this. Panos will set up >> a public collaboration space within GRNET. A few developers will be >> (part-time) working on this from February for a (so far) unspecified amount >> of time. The consensus was that it would be good to start off with some >> basic usability testing, to see how well the different tools work for novice >> users. It'll be very basic testing, with about 10 subjects from within GRNET >> (so with a bit of technical bias) but only those who haven't edited before. >> >> Both Magnus' and my tools will be implemented on a clone of the Greek >> Wikipedia and we will set up a fabricated article that works well with both >> of our editors. It's only about the usability, not about technical aspects >> for now. Both editing tools will have to be adapted and localised, perhaps >> this can even be done by GRNET developers. We'll use my usability script >> that I used before with the Sentence-Level Editing usability research. >> >> Once this usability testing has been done, we'll decide how to distribute >> the efforts, and what will be done. We'll work closely with the GRNET >> developers to assist them in working on these projects. Once we'll have more >> information it will be posted to this list. >> >> Cheers, >> Jan Paul >> >> On 19-Jan-2011, at 23:34, Magnus Manske wrote: >> >>> I have added Panos to Skype; yes, we should probably exchange Skype >>> handles off-list. >>> >>> I am in Cambridge (London time), so that should work. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Magnus >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jan Paul Posma <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Skype sounds great! Also, I heard you work with Ariel, which is great >>>> because that way you have a more local person to contact with MediaWiki >>>> questions. Perhaps we can get off-list with those interested to schedule >>>> an introductory meeting? (You, me, Magnus, Ariel, others?) I am located in >>>> the Netherlands, so our hours will be similar. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Jan Paul >>>> >>>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 19:47, Panos Louridas wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks to both Jean Paul and Magnus for taking up the offer! >>>>> >>>>> Based on your input I will look into our developer tool for people with >>>>> expertise in the following: >>>>> >>>>> * Advanced JS, preferably with experience in optimisation issues etc. >>>>> >>>>> * UI design, usability testing, etc. >>>>> >>>>> * Text processing (of sorts) for the needs of SLE >>>>> >>>>> (if you believe I am missing something, say so) >>>>> >>>>> I expect to have the people in place in February, I will let you know. I >>>>> will be following the list. >>>>> >>>>> Jean Paul indicated that we might talk in more detail. I do not follow >>>>> IRC because of my tight schedule; I do use Skype, however (ID: louridas). >>>>> Please Jean Paul, Magnus, and others, let me know if that suits you. As I >>>>> am located in Athens, my waking hours are around East European Time. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Panos. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Jan Paul Posma wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A very generous offer indeed! >>>>>> >>>>>> My own SLE and Magnus' WYSIFTW are indeed the most active projects, so >>>>>> that would be a good bet. Actually, for me the timing is just right, as >>>>>> I'll be working on a paper about this editor for a while, so it'd be >>>>>> cool to have someone(s) continue the project. If one of your researchers >>>>>> has a brilliant idea on how to do this right, that would obviously be >>>>>> really valuable too. >>>>>> >>>>>> A lot of things Magnus mentioned apply to my project too: >>>>>> * Improving detection algorithms, i.e. better sentence-level editing >>>>>> (perhaps using an external language recognition library), better >>>>>> detection of other elements. Keep in mind that the editor excludes >>>>>> anything it doesn't 'understand', so this is a nice fallback, you don't >>>>>> have to write a complex parser that detects a lot of stuff at once. >>>>>> * Cross-browser/platform/device compatibility (think mobile, >>>>>> touchscreens, etc.) >>>>>> * Usability testing (the more the merrier!) >>>>>> * Verifying detection coverage (Which % of the wikitext is editable) and >>>>>> quality (Wikitext -> Adding markers -> MediaWiki parser -> Removing >>>>>> markings -> Wikitext??) Checking this on a large number of pages. >>>>>> * Test suites (again, the more the merrier, but only for parts of the >>>>>> code and interface that are considered stable!) >>>>>> * Lots of implementation details: embedding the (current) editor toolbar >>>>>> in the textboxes, making sure (a fair percentage of) gadgets still work >>>>>> with this, and handling unusual cases like edit conflicts, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps it'd be good to have a (video or IRC?) conversation with you, >>>>>> your developers, people from the Foundation, and people from the >>>>>> specific projects you want to contribute to. Again, really awesome that >>>>>> you guys want to work on this! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Jan Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19-Jan-2011, at 9:55, Magnus Manske wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Panos Louridas <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the Greek Research and Education Network (GRNET) we look at the >>>>>>>> possibility of contributing to the development of WYSIWYG editor >>>>>>>> support in Wikipedia. We understand that considerable work has already >>>>>>>> taken place in the area, e.g.: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIFTW >>>>>>>> * https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/RTE/ >>>>>>>> * http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:JanPaul123/Sentence-level_editing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We therefore think that it will not be productive to reinvent the >>>>>>>> wheel over here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our contribution can take the form of providing developers that will >>>>>>>> devote part (or all) of their time for some months in 2011. We welcome >>>>>>>> any comments and suggestions on how we could push this forward, and in >>>>>>>> particular: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Specific tasks / components that need to be designed, developed, >>>>>>>> optimized, etc., and estimates of effort and timeframe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Panos, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a very generous offer! One I would like to take you up on, for WYSIFTW >>>>>>> as you no doubt have guessed :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WYSIFTW is approaching feature completeness, as far as wiki markup >>>>>>> parsing is concerned, and improves on usability as well. (just try the >>>>>>> new "floating context hover boxes", in lack of a better name, that I >>>>>>> added last night, wich come up when you hover over a template or a >>>>>>> references, for show/hide and rendered preview, and the new optional >>>>>>> rendering for templates as a key-value-pair table) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For support later this year, tasks would include >>>>>>> * increase parsing performance (mostly post-parsing steps, focusing on >>>>>>> DOM lookup and manipulation) >>>>>>> * improve editing usability (cut/copy/paste, better specialised >>>>>>> dialogs for images, table/row/cell properties etc.) >>>>>>> * usability testing (I'm using up volunteers fast ;-) >>>>>>> * creating a test suite (to make sure that changes don't accidentally >>>>>>> break anything) >>>>>>> * general compatibility testing (find pages that parse/unparse >>>>>>> wrongly, and patch the code accordingly) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like the sentence-level editing function, but once I add >>>>>>> section-level editing to WYSIFTW, these two will start to converge. >>>>>>> I'm curious which of these will be more suited to small fixes and >>>>>>> adding single sentences/references etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for RTE, I know little about. Apparently, it is not suitable for >>>>>>> Wikipedia in its current form. 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