Can I just agree with everything Brian just said? +1 :)
Am 08.04.2015 um 23:50 schrieb Brian Wolff: >>> To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, > its >>> been supported (and mostly unused) for ages in the form of >>> special:recentchangeslinked. More structured lists could be done with >>> content handler (as with all things there are pros and cons to such an >>> approach). >> >> but this wouldn't scale for a Watchlist view - which basically does a >> JOIN on recent changes with the items in that collection. >> The experimental >> http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:GatherEditFeed which >> provides a multiple watchlist type feature is only possible because it >> is done in a database. If you believe there is a way to do that, I'd >> love to see a prototype from you proving me wrong :-). >> > > With content handler you can still add random things to the db in your own > custom tables, that just functionally depend on the wiki page. Im not > suggesting that you parse a page each time you want a list and then merge > with rc in php. > > A good example of this is special:recentchangeslinked - wikipages have > links, links go in pagelinks (or other depending on type) table, special > page does inner join + filesort just like watchlist to get recently changed > pages. > >>> >>>> We'll also hoping to support the filtering of >>>> collections via tags which becomes much easier if stored in a >>>> database. >>> >>> "Tags" is another jargon quaigmire in mw land.... >>> >>> Anyways no particular reason why stuff can't be canonically on a > wikipage >>> and extracted to db tables (in a similar fashion to link tables). Doing >>> that gives you history, reverting, oversight, collaborative editing, > talk >>> pages, etc for free. (But of course im sure that has its own drawbacks) >>> >>> [Also its important to keep in mind: it is easy to wax poetic on the >>> mailing list about how something ought to be done, much harder to > actually >>> do it. So take my comment with the salt appropriate of somebody who > hasn't >>> implemented anything nor has any plans to] >>> >>>> A watchlist is not a wikipage, so that in my eyes sets a >>>> precedent. >>> >>> Its also unequivocally private. I think a lot of the conflict here comes >>> from the dual nature of gather as public/private. >> >> True, but given we as a community apparently want truely public >> watchlists it's time to work out what that looks like :) >> > [..] >> >> Agreed, this is definitely an integration problem. I'd like us to >> generalise our existing site features and make them less like duct >> tape. There is very little code abstraction which has traditionally >> made this difficult. I think when we say "this should be a wiki page" >> we actually mean something different - in that what we are really >> saying is "this should integrate with recent changes" or this should >> integrate with X. Identifying those problems will move us forward as >> we will find solutions to them and build better software. Starting >> with "it should be a wikipage" is approaching the problem from the >> wrong direction. This may turn out to be the solution but it's not a >> good way to write software efficiently. >> > > Making foo be an instance of X is a good way to solve the problem of make > foo behave like x for all properties of x, including those that don't exist > yet. (Making interfaces more generic is also obviously good, but when I > hear, it should do all the things wiki pages do, I naturally come to the > conclusion it should be a wikipage) > > So, lets turn this around - what aspects of wiki pages don't you want this > to have? In my mind a wiki page has the following properties: > *Is editable > *contains data of some kind (not neccesarily wikitext) > *is viewable (biggest conflict thus far) > *integrates with tools for managing content (history, rc, revdel, etc) > *has a unique name in a common shared namespace (i mean namespace in the cs > sense of the word, not mediawiki sense) > > Which property don't you want? Or are there other properties I forgot that > you don't want? If not, what is wrong with wiki pages? > > --bawolff > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
