> > Most development work is done by volunteers
According to https://wikimedia.biterg.io/ that does not appear to be the case. Or is there some other metric that is more accurate? On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:33 PM Zppix <[email protected]> wrote: > To blame WMF for having a huge backlog is wrong imho. Most development > work is done by volunteers, and while I do believe more can be done from > both sides but blaming it all on WMF is wrong. > > -- > Devin “Zppix” CCENT > Volunteer Wikimedia Developer > Africa Wikimedia Developers Member and Mentor > Volunteer Mozilla Support Team Member (SUMO) > Quora.com Partner Program Member > enwp.org/User:Zppix > **Note: I do not work for Wikimedia Foundation, or any of its chapters. I > also do not work for Mozilla, or any of its projects. ** > > > On Mar 9, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Victoria Stavridou-Coleman < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Re reading this now on the ground in Austin, reminds me not to send > emails in a hurry from an airplane! So trying again - hopefully more > grammatically sound this time! > > > > The Tech Engagement team (which includes Wikimedia Cloud Services) in > the Tech department is investing in a developer advocacy team who I hope > will (amongst other things) speak on behalf of the communities that are > affected by tech debt. > > > > All the best, > > > > Victoria > > > >> On Mar 9, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Victoria Coleman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Also, the Tech team at the Foundation is investing in Technical > Engagement team who I hope will be (amongst other things) become advocates > for the tech debt that affects our communities. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Victoria > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Mar 9, 2019, at 6:28 PM, bawolff <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Regarding: > >>>> My proposal is to begin the discussion here: how can we better relay > issues > >>>> that are more important to communities than new features? How can we > have a > >>>> "community whishlist for bugs"? > >>> > >>> Well fundamentally it starts with making a list. > >>> > >>> This is basically a lobbying discussion right. People think WMF should > do > >>> more of X. Lobbying discussions are more successful the more specific > they > >>> are. Having a list of the top 20 worse bugs is something you could > convince > >>> people to do something about. Even something like /WMF spends too much > time > >>> on new features and not enough time on maintenance/bug fixing/, is > >>> something you could convince people to change, if you for example knew > how > >>> much time WMF currently spends on bug fixing, and you have an idea of > how > >>> much time you think they should be spending. Even if management doesn't > >>> agree with your proposal, it would at least be specific enough to > debate. > >>> > >>> When these discussions start from vague places, like there's too many > bugs, > >>> is when they go nowhere. Even if WMF stopped everything else it was > doing, > >>> and worked solely on bugs, I doubt they would fix every bug in > existence. > >>> (We can't all be TeX!), and attempting to do that would be a bad idea. > >>> > >>> Change happens when stuff is measurable, and people can work towards a > >>> goal. Failing that, change happens when people can be held accountable. > >>> Objective measures are needed. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:31 PM Strainu <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dan, > >>>> > >>>> Thank you for your response. I appreciate far more someone > disagreeing with > >>>> me than someone ignoring me :) > >>>> > >>>> Let me start with a simple question, to put the references to wmf into > >>>> context. You keep talking below about volunteer developers and how > they can > >>>> take over any project. While that's true, how many fully-volunteer > teams > >>>> are there? How does that number compare to the number of wmf teams? > Am I > >>>> right to assume the ratio is hugely in favor of wmf teams? Note: > teams, > >>>> not developers, since decisions on project management are usually > done at > >>>> team level. > >>>> > >>>> Pe sâmbătă, 9 martie 2019, Dan Garry (Deskana) <[email protected]> a > >>>> scris: > >>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 11:26, Strainu <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How many successful commercial projects leave customer iss > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikitech-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
