Also, the Tech team at the Foundation is investing in Technical Engagement team who I hope will be (amongst other things) become advocates for the tech debt that affects our communities.
Best regards, Victoria Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2019, at 6:28 PM, bawolff <[email protected]> wrote: > > Regarding: >> My proposal is to begin the discussion here: how can we better relay issues >> that are more important to communities than new features? How can we have a >> "community whishlist for bugs"? > > Well fundamentally it starts with making a list. > > This is basically a lobbying discussion right. People think WMF should do > more of X. Lobbying discussions are more successful the more specific they > are. Having a list of the top 20 worse bugs is something you could convince > people to do something about. Even something like /WMF spends too much time > on new features and not enough time on maintenance/bug fixing/, is > something you could convince people to change, if you for example knew how > much time WMF currently spends on bug fixing, and you have an idea of how > much time you think they should be spending. Even if management doesn't > agree with your proposal, it would at least be specific enough to debate. > > When these discussions start from vague places, like there's too many bugs, > is when they go nowhere. Even if WMF stopped everything else it was doing, > and worked solely on bugs, I doubt they would fix every bug in existence. > (We can't all be TeX!), and attempting to do that would be a bad idea. > > Change happens when stuff is measurable, and people can work towards a > goal. Failing that, change happens when people can be held accountable. > Objective measures are needed. > > -- > Brian > > >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:31 PM Strainu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dan, >> >> Thank you for your response. I appreciate far more someone disagreeing with >> me than someone ignoring me :) >> >> Let me start with a simple question, to put the references to wmf into >> context. You keep talking below about volunteer developers and how they can >> take over any project. While that's true, how many fully-volunteer teams >> are there? How does that number compare to the number of wmf teams? Am I >> right to assume the ratio is hugely in favor of wmf teams? Note: teams, >> not developers, since decisions on project management are usually done at >> team level. >> >> Pe sâmbătă, 9 martie 2019, Dan Garry (Deskana) <[email protected]> a >> scris: >> >>>> On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 11:26, Strainu <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> How many successful commercial projects leave customer iss _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
