> Norton still gets all the info they need to hound you for money for the
> updates when one installs any of their software. Most people are use to
> registering software now a days so why should AV be any different ? Why
> should it be ok to register with MSFT & not McAfee ? 

Because i can opt out with either Norton or MS. (Activating is not
*registering*). With mcafee, i had to supply an email address, confirm
it, then log in to the website (probably to set a cookie) before i
could get updates. i'll gladly activate - but only if i just have to
put a button. I won't activate by logging on to a website after
providing an email address and confirming it. Too many steps.

NAV installs the update after offering me the chance to register. I
choose not to, in part because of the effort involved in entering my
details and it doesn't give me any advantages - no discounts etc. (The
same applies to MS software- i never bother to register). I was
offered the chance to activate now or within 15 days. i shoulda waited
- it might save an activation if we can get the corp copy installed
that her college supplies.

> computer safe from buggies as important as the OS itself ? I mean after all
> if the thing gets enough of the wrong kind of buggies the OS won't run. Oh,
> I forgot MSFT doesn't actually require one to register & neither does McAfee.

MS does not require registeration - mcafee requires an email address
be confirmed and that you log on their site in order to download. Two
very different things.

> I only install McAfee 4.51 & not the newer stuff because as Bill says it's
> bloatware. I actually turn off the automatic updates & make them go to
> <http://download.mcafee.com/us/updates/superDat.asp?real=0> from a link
> that I put on the Link Bar because no matter what interval I had the thing
> auto update on they'd still got infected. Come to find out they'd turn off
> the update or some other stupid thing.

Probably because mcafee doesn't do 'silent' updates and wants you to
log on before it installs updates? How often do they install the
updates when they have to go looking for them? I'll bet not very
often.

> Hmm, it's funny you mentioned that as I'm beta testing MU as we speak & I
> just downloaded some Office Updates last night. While I never cared whether

i'm on the beta but haven't had time to set it up yet. i guess i should. 

> do it monthly as I still have clients that turn off NAV live update as soon
> as Symantec starts demanding money.

we don' turn it off - we buy a new copy. :) (Often free after rebate.)
The problem is that people are used to paying once for software and
don't want to pay for a yearly subscription.  Maybe you should put one
of the free scanners on instead?

> If you ask me they should be responsible for their own AV updates as
> security is as much a state of mind as it is anything. Right, Bernie ? ;-)

college kids don't have time and don't really care - like a lot of
users, they just want the computer to work - that's why many colleges
provide corp installations of nav. The one college scans machines
before allowing them on the network. The other had virus problems on a
server late last summer and decided nav corp was a good investment. :)

Time and time again we've seen what happens when users are expected to
keep updated - they forget.

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