Jason/all,
Once we get a runtime in under trunk, what's the best way to get
nightlies built and published? Just using Continuum and a crob job
to copy the output to a downloadable location?
-Nick
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development
[email protected]
Phone: 512-286-6258
Building: 903 / 5G-016
Jason Dillon <[email protected]>
Jason Dillon <[email protected]>
06/21/2009 10:20 PM
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[email protected]
To
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Subject
Re: Integration testing
You might want to look at the geronimo/server/trunk/testsuite this is
our set of integration tests, with reports.
I think something similar would work very well for Wink.
--jason
On Jun 22, 2009, at 3:01 AM, "Baram, Eliezer" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Bryant
> It is an important topic, it's just that we will not be able to
> cover it in one hour together with the others topics.
> The points you mentions are important and certainly can have major
> effect on our project quality.
> I think we should dedicated a separate thread for that discussion
> (that's why I changed the mail subject).
>
> You mention a maven plug-in that can help us in that, are you
> familiar with a specific free plug in/tool that we can use to run
> these integration tests?
>
> -Eli
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryant Luk [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>
> Hi Eli,
>
> For the testing, I just wanted to say that I would like to add as
much
> integration testing (with Jetty, Apache Geronimo, WebSphere, and any
> other environment) into the project as possible if no one has any
> objections. Just to be clear, the test would be like a web
> application installed into a web container and then using a client
> (HttpClient and hopefully our own) to exercise the behavior of the
> application. In a few other projects, there's been some trouble in
> this area. We can use some Maven plugins to run those tests and
> separate the integration tests into an optional module.
>
> I believe the value added to the project is pretty good because if
we
> can make the integration tests fairly neutral and can support
multiple
> environments, then developers who use our runtime would have some
> assurance that the runtime works in their deployment environment.
It
> could lead to easier adoption later. I don't expect individual
> committers to run the tests on every possible environment on every
> commit btw.
>
> The reason why I initially added it to the agenda was because of the
> deployment environments bullet in the runtime comparison to make
sure
> when we architect the integration tests, that we can cover that out.
>
> In any case, if anyone has any thoughts/objections/better ideas, we
> can continue this discussion on the mailing list, and I'll remove
the
> bullet from the wiki in a sec.
>
> As far as the goals, I just wanted to make sure that we could
> prioritize the agenda and have some frame of reference/perspective
> when discussing architecture. I expect that some good architectural
> ideas for the runtime could be generated during the discussion for
> additional features (i.e. additional tools integration) that may not
> be on the top of our agenda.
>
> - Bryant Luk
>
> On Jun 21, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Baram, Eliezer wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> As I sees the wiki page contain agenda for 3 different discussions
>> 1) Architecture
>> 2) Goals and development phases
>> 3) Testing
>>
>> Since the purpose of this call is "Architecture Q&A" I think we
>> should concentrate on the first, Architecture.
>> A baseline to the call can be the "Runtime comparison" page that
>> Martin created
(http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Runtime+comparison
>> ).
>>
>> -- Eli
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Snitkovsky, Martin
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Architecture Q&A Call
>>
>> I have updated "Architecture Meeting And Agenda" wiki
(http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
>> )
>>
>> Modified bullet [* Third party dependencies]
>> New Bullet [* Client API]
>> New Bullet [* Configurability]
>>
>> -- Martin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elman, Michael
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:52 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Architecture Q&A Call
>>
>> I updates the following bullets:
>> * Required plug points into runtime
>> * Long term goals
>> And I also changed formatting a bit, for example I put both the
>> integration and unit tests under the Testing bullet.
>>
>> Michael Elman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bryant Luk [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:56 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>>
>> I did a quick wiki page for the agenda at:
>>
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
>>
>>
<http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
>>> Please
>> add anything you wish to discuss. I added some initial goals in a
>> somewhat
>> logical order (like short term goals first then choose
architecture)
>> that we
>> should discuss them.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo <[email protected]
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Dims,
>>>
>>> Since I called for the meeting, I'll take responsibility for
>>> getting the
>>> info for the meeting posted and for getting summaries documented
>>> and posted.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas Gallardo
>>> WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development
>>> [email protected]
>>> Phone: 512-286-6258
>>> Building: 903 / 5G-016
>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Davanum Srinivas
>>> <[email protected]>]
>>> Davanum Srinivas <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Davanum Srinivas <[email protected]>*
>>>
>>> 06/18/2009 02:47 PM
>>> Please respond to
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To
>>>
>>> [email protected]
>>> cc
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject
>>>
>>> Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>>>
>>> Eli,
>>>
>>> The goal is to be as open as possible and post as many things as
>>> possible
>>> ahead of time, anything/everything to
>>> facilitate an off-line discussion and ensure broadest
participation.
>>>
>>> * Any documents, please post URL's to wink-dev@ before the meeting
>>> (google
>>> docs or wiki or JIRA or anywhere else public
>>> is ok)
>>> * Come up with some sort of agenda items that needs to be
discussed
>>> (this
>>> can be done on the wiki)
>>> * Set up a specific start/stop time for the meeting so everyone
can
>>> plan to
>>> be there at least for that duration.
>>> * Please post the date/time of the IRC meeting, agenda and
pointers
>>> to any
>>> documents.
>>> * Someone should volunteer to keep the meeting on track
>>> * Come up with proposals and possible solutions or action items
for
>>> agenda
>>> items
>>> * Post all above in logical chunks to wink-dev@ and ask for
closure
>>> on the
>>> mailing list. This helps people who cannot
>>> attend the IRC chat and still want to participate
>>> * When the chat winds down, please post the log to wink-dev.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> dims
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/18/2009 01:53 PM, Baram, Eliezer wrote:
>>>> Dim,
>>>> I'm new to IRC meeting and I try to figure out the right format
>>>> that will
>>> make this meeting work.
>>>> I would call the meeting successful if valid questions will be
>>>> raised
>>> during the conference and a discussion will be made.
>>>>
>>>> How do you recommend to run the IRC meeting ?
>>>>
>>>> If we were running the meeting In a conference call with an
>>>> ability to
>>> share documents (by Google document for instance, or sent earlier
>>> by mail) I
>>> would format this meeting in a way where the contributors of the
>>> submissions
>>> would present their submission. These presentations would
hopefully
>>> raise
>>> questions, and a discussion will be created. What can be an IRC
>>> alternative
>>> to this in order to trigger such discussion?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Eli
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:[email protected]
>>>> <[email protected]>]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:57 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>>>>
>>>> Nick,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, please use IRC and post the transcript to the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> No, you cannot make decisions on the IRC chat, you need to post
>>>> what ever
>>> you are proposing on the mailing list and VOTE
>>>> on it (72 hours etc as usual)
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> dims
>>>>
>>>> On 06/18/2009 10:45 AM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
>>>>> Jason, you (and anyone else for that matter) are absolutely
>>>>> invited,
>>> should
>>>>> have made that point clear. I mentioned it on the list for
>>>>> exactly that
>>>>> reason though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that calls are not typical for the Apache projects I've
>>>>> seen
>>>>> either. But, it was proposed as a means to try to work through
>>>>> the
>>> issues
>>>>> quickly and to get everyone acquainted. Most discussion will
>>>>> obviously
>>>>> happen on the mailing lists. But, we need to come to a decision
>>>>> quickly
>>> on
>>>>> the base code as that's holding up any other work. If the
>>>>> community
>>> would
>>>>> rather handle it via IRC then we can do that. If done on IRC,
do
>>>>> you
>>> just
>>>>> copy/paste the transcript somewhere for people to comment on
>>>>> later?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mentors, any suggestions here for how to have synchronous work
>>>>> sessions
>>> to
>>>>> get through discussions quickly?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas Gallardo
>>>>> WebSphere - REST& WebServices Development
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Phone: 512-286-6258
>>>>> Building: 903 / 5G-016
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason Dillon
>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>> om>
>>> To
>>>>> Sent by: Jason [email protected]
>>>>> Dillon
>>> cc
>>>>> <jason.dil...@gma
>>>>> il.com>
>>> Subject
>>>>> Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>>>>>
>>>>> 06/18/2009 09:11
>>>>> AM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please respond to
>>>>> wink-...@incubato
>>>>> r.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I can make that, if I'm invited of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though along those lines, typically "calls" aren't really used
>>>>> that
>>>>> much by the Apache community... IRC at times has even been a
>>>>> stretch,
>>>>> though I think many communities use it for regular group
>>>>> communications. It may be construed as a bad sign if the first
>>>>> major
>>>>> discussion is effectively offline. Perhaps if a transcript of
the
>>>>> call was recorded somewhere, on this list, it might fly.
>>>>> Otherwise
>>>>> it may be better from a community perspective to hold this
meeting
>>>>> over IRC on freenode.net. But I'm unsure, we'll let the mentors
>>>>> chime
>>>>> in more on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think there needs to be more discussion on the merits of
both
>>>>> codebases before a descison is made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps...
>>>>>
>>>>> --jason
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would be useful to have a call next week for some
Q&A
>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>> the two runtimes and architectures. We can have the relevant
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> give
>>>>>> summaries of the work that's been contributed and then answer
>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given the geographic dispersion, getting a time nailed down
will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> tough.
>>>>>> How does 8:00AM CST on Tuesday the 23rd work for everyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicholas Gallardo
>>>>>> WebSphere - REST& WebServices Development
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> Phone: 512-286-6258
>>>>>> Building: 903 / 5G-016
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> - Bryant Luk
>
