Bryant,
> In any case, if anyone has any thoughts/objections/better ideas, we
> can continue this discussion on the mailing list, and I'll remove
the
> bullet from the wiki in a sec.
I think it's a good discussion to have and would like to keep it on
the wiki. If I understand Eli's point, it's that realistically we
won't be able to cover all three topics in any depth in one
meeting. So, let's just break it up into a series of discussions
that can be explored in depth. Further, I don't think these
discussions all have to happen via IRC, so we can hash it on on the
list and in the wiki.
I'd say let's just start another thread here and open the floor for
discussion of test strategies.
Cheers,
-Nick
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development
[email protected]
Phone: 512-286-6258
Building: 903 / 5G-016
Bryant Luk <[email protected]>
Bryant Luk <[email protected]>
06/21/2009 11:07 AM
Please respond to
[email protected]
To
[email protected]
cc
Subject
Re: Architecture Q&A Call
Hi Eli,
For the testing, I just wanted to say that I would like to add as much
integration testing (with Jetty, Apache Geronimo, WebSphere, and any
other environment) into the project as possible if no one has any
objections. Just to be clear, the test would be like a web
application installed into a web container and then using a client
(HttpClient and hopefully our own) to exercise the behavior of the
application. In a few other projects, there's been some trouble in
this area. We can use some Maven plugins to run those tests and
separate the integration tests into an optional module.
I believe the value added to the project is pretty good because if we
can make the integration tests fairly neutral and can support multiple
environments, then developers who use our runtime would have some
assurance that the runtime works in their deployment environment. It
could lead to easier adoption later. I don't expect individual
committers to run the tests on every possible environment on every
commit btw.
The reason why I initially added it to the agenda was because of the
deployment environments bullet in the runtime comparison to make sure
when we architect the integration tests, that we can cover that out.
In any case, if anyone has any thoughts/objections/better ideas, we
can continue this discussion on the mailing list, and I'll remove the
bullet from the wiki in a sec.
As far as the goals, I just wanted to make sure that we could
prioritize the agenda and have some frame of reference/perspective
when discussing architecture. I expect that some good architectural
ideas for the runtime could be generated during the discussion for
additional features (i.e. additional tools integration) that may not
be on the top of our agenda.
- Bryant Luk
On Jun 21, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Baram, Eliezer wrote:
> Hi
> As I sees the wiki page contain agenda for 3 different discussions
> 1) Architecture
> 2) Goals and development phases
> 3) Testing
>
> Since the purpose of this call is "Architecture Q&A" I think we
> should concentrate on the first, Architecture.
> A baseline to the call can be the "Runtime comparison" page that
> Martin created
(http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Runtime+comparison
> ).
>
> -- Eli
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Snitkovsky, Martin
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:14 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Architecture Q&A Call
>
> I have updated "Architecture Meeting And Agenda" wiki
(http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
> )
>
> Modified bullet [* Third party dependencies]
> New Bullet [* Client API]
> New Bullet [* Configurability]
>
> -- Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elman, Michael
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:52 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Architecture Q&A Call
>
> I updates the following bullets:
> * Required plug points into runtime
> * Long term goals
> And I also changed formatting a bit, for example I put both the
> integration and unit tests under the Testing bullet.
>
> Michael Elman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryant Luk [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>
> I did a quick wiki page for the agenda at:
>
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
>
>
<http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
> >Please
> add anything you wish to discuss. I added some initial goals in a
> somewhat
> logical order (like short term goals first then choose architecture)
> that we
> should discuss them.
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dims,
>>
>> Since I called for the meeting, I'll take responsibility for
>> getting the
>> info for the meeting posted and for getting summaries documented
>> and posted.
>>
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas Gallardo
>> WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development
>> [email protected]
>> Phone: 512-286-6258
>> Building: 903 / 5G-016
>> [image: Inactive hide details for Davanum Srinivas
>> <[email protected]>]
>> Davanum Srinivas <[email protected]>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Davanum Srinivas <[email protected]>*
>>
>> 06/18/2009 02:47 PM
>> Please respond to
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>>
>> [email protected]
>> cc
>>
>>
>> Subject
>>
>> Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>>
>> Eli,
>>
>> The goal is to be as open as possible and post as many things as
>> possible
>> ahead of time, anything/everything to
>> facilitate an off-line discussion and ensure broadest
participation.
>>
>> * Any documents, please post URL's to wink-dev@ before the meeting
>> (google
>> docs or wiki or JIRA or anywhere else public
>> is ok)
>> * Come up with some sort of agenda items that needs to be discussed
>> (this
>> can be done on the wiki)
>> * Set up a specific start/stop time for the meeting so everyone can
>> plan to
>> be there at least for that duration.
>> * Please post the date/time of the IRC meeting, agenda and pointers
>> to any
>> documents.
>> * Someone should volunteer to keep the meeting on track
>> * Come up with proposals and possible solutions or action items for
>> agenda
>> items
>> * Post all above in logical chunks to wink-dev@ and ask for closure
>> on the
>> mailing list. This helps people who cannot
>> attend the IRC chat and still want to participate
>> * When the chat winds down, please post the log to wink-dev.
>>
>> thanks,
>> dims
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/18/2009 01:53 PM, Baram, Eliezer wrote:
>>> Dim,
>>> I'm new to IRC meeting and I try to figure out the right format
>>> that will
>> make this meeting work.
>>> I would call the meeting successful if valid questions will be
>>> raised
>> during the conference and a discussion will be made.
>>>
>>> How do you recommend to run the IRC meeting ?
>>>
>>> If we were running the meeting In a conference call with an
>>> ability to
>> share documents (by Google document for instance, or sent earlier
>> by mail) I
>> would format this meeting in a way where the contributors of the
>> submissions
>> would present their submission. These presentations would hopefully
>> raise
>> questions, and a discussion will be created. What can be an IRC
>> alternative
>> to this in order to trigger such discussion?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eli
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:[email protected]
>>> <[email protected]>]
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:57 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>>>
>>> Nick,
>>>
>>> Yes, please use IRC and post the transcript to the mailing list.
>>>
>>> No, you cannot make decisions on the IRC chat, you need to post
>>> what ever
>> you are proposing on the mailing list and VOTE
>>> on it (72 hours etc as usual)
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> dims
>>>
>>> On 06/18/2009 10:45 AM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
>>>> Jason, you (and anyone else for that matter) are absolutely
>>>> invited,
>> should
>>>> have made that point clear. I mentioned it on the list for
>>>> exactly that
>>>> reason though.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that calls are not typical for the Apache projects I've
>>>> seen
>>>> either. But, it was proposed as a means to try to work through
the
>> issues
>>>> quickly and to get everyone acquainted. Most discussion will
>>>> obviously
>>>> happen on the mailing lists. But, we need to come to a decision
>>>> quickly
>> on
>>>> the base code as that's holding up any other work. If the
>>>> community
>> would
>>>> rather handle it via IRC then we can do that. If done on IRC, do
>>>> you
>> just
>>>> copy/paste the transcript somewhere for people to comment on
later?
>>>>
>>>> Mentors, any suggestions here for how to have synchronous work
>>>> sessions
>> to
>>>> get through discussions quickly?
>>>>
>>>> -Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nicholas Gallardo
>>>> WebSphere - REST& WebServices Development
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> Phone: 512-286-6258
>>>> Building: 903 / 5G-016
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jason Dillon
>>>> <[email protected]
>>>> om>
>> To
>>>> Sent by: Jason [email protected]
>>>> Dillon
>> cc
>>>> <jason.dil...@gma
>>>> il.com>
>> Subject
>>>> Re: Architecture Q&A Call
>>>>
>>>> 06/18/2009 09:11
>>>> AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please respond to
>>>> wink-...@incubato
>>>> r.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I can make that, if I'm invited of course.
>>>>
>>>> Though along those lines, typically "calls" aren't really used
that
>>>> much by the Apache community... IRC at times has even been a
>>>> stretch,
>>>> though I think many communities use it for regular group
>>>> communications. It may be construed as a bad sign if the first
>>>> major
>>>> discussion is effectively offline. Perhaps if a transcript of
the
>>>> call was recorded somewhere, on this list, it might fly.
Otherwise
>>>> it may be better from a community perspective to hold this
meeting
>>>> over IRC on freenode.net. But I'm unsure, we'll let the mentors
>>>> chime
>>>> in more on this.
>>>>
>>>> I do think there needs to be more discussion on the merits of
both
>>>> codebases before a descison is made.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps...
>>>>
>>>> --jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be useful to have a call next week for some Q&A
>>>>> regarding
>>>>> the two runtimes and architectures. We can have the relevant
>>>>> people
>>>>> give
>>>>> summaries of the work that's been contributed and then answer
>>>>> questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the geographic dispersion, getting a time nailed down will
>>>>> be
>>>>> tough.
>>>>> How does 8:00AM CST on Tuesday the 23rd work for everyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicholas Gallardo
>>>>> WebSphere - REST& WebServices Development
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Phone: 512-286-6258
>>>>> Building: 903 / 5G-016
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> - Bryant Luk
