Hi there Eli,
I found this Cargo maven plugin that might help ( http://cargo.codehaus.org/Maven2+plugin
), but Jason Dillon suggested using the geronimo-maven-plugin to
cover Geronimo (since that's what they use natively for Geronimo http://geronimo.apache.org/maven/server/maven-plugins/geronimo-maven-plugin/usage/modules.html
). Jetty has one ( http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JETTY/Maven+Jetty+Plugin
) that could be used, so it might be better to find "dedicated"
plugins to help do this. I think we could potentially use Maven's
profile feature to switch out which integration plugin to use. We
would have small Maven web application pom.xmls which would inherit
some pre-integration-test (to install/start the app/etc.) and post-
integration-test (to stop the app) phases perhaps? I'll try to do
some experiments and see if I can post back any findings.
BTW, I hope I did *not* give you the impression that I was upset about
removing the topic from the chat. I understand that we had limited
time, and we could just as easily have this discussion on the mailing
list as we are having now.
On Jun 21, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Baram, Eliezer wrote:
Hi Bryant
It is an important topic, it's just that we will not be able to
cover it in one hour together with the others topics.
The points you mentions are important and certainly can have major
effect on our project quality.
I think we should dedicated a separate thread for that discussion
(that's why I changed the mail subject).
You mention a maven plug-in that can help us in that, are you
familiar with a specific free plug in/tool that we can use to run
these integration tests?
-Eli
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryant Luk [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
Hi Eli,
For the testing, I just wanted to say that I would like to add as much
integration testing (with Jetty, Apache Geronimo, WebSphere, and any
other environment) into the project as possible if no one has any
objections. Just to be clear, the test would be like a web
application installed into a web container and then using a client
(HttpClient and hopefully our own) to exercise the behavior of the
application. In a few other projects, there's been some trouble in
this area. We can use some Maven plugins to run those tests and
separate the integration tests into an optional module.
I believe the value added to the project is pretty good because if we
can make the integration tests fairly neutral and can support multiple
environments, then developers who use our runtime would have some
assurance that the runtime works in their deployment environment. It
could lead to easier adoption later. I don't expect individual
committers to run the tests on every possible environment on every
commit btw.
The reason why I initially added it to the agenda was because of the
deployment environments bullet in the runtime comparison to make sure
when we architect the integration tests, that we can cover that out.
In any case, if anyone has any thoughts/objections/better ideas, we
can continue this discussion on the mailing list, and I'll remove the
bullet from the wiki in a sec.
As far as the goals, I just wanted to make sure that we could
prioritize the agenda and have some frame of reference/perspective
when discussing architecture. I expect that some good architectural
ideas for the runtime could be generated during the discussion for
additional features (i.e. additional tools integration) that may not
be on the top of our agenda.
- Bryant Luk
On Jun 21, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Baram, Eliezer wrote:
Hi
As I sees the wiki page contain agenda for 3 different discussions
1) Architecture
2) Goals and development phases
3) Testing
Since the purpose of this call is "Architecture Q&A" I think we
should concentrate on the first, Architecture.
A baseline to the call can be the "Runtime comparison" page that
Martin created
(http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Runtime+comparison
).
-- Eli
-----Original Message-----
From: Snitkovsky, Martin
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Architecture Q&A Call
I have updated "Architecture Meeting And Agenda" wiki
(http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
)
Modified bullet [* Third party dependencies]
New Bullet [* Client API]
New Bullet [* Configurability]
-- Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Elman, Michael
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Architecture Q&A Call
I updates the following bullets:
* Required plug points into runtime
* Long term goals
And I also changed formatting a bit, for example I put both the
integration and unit tests under the Testing bullet.
Michael Elman
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryant Luk [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
I did a quick wiki page for the agenda at:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
<http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WINK/Architecture+Meeting+And+Agenda
Please
add anything you wish to discuss. I added some initial goals in a
somewhat
logical order (like short term goals first then choose architecture)
that we
should discuss them.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo <[email protected]
wrote:
Thanks Dims,
Since I called for the meeting, I'll take responsibility for
getting the
info for the meeting posted and for getting summaries documented
and posted.
-Nick
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development
[email protected]
Phone: 512-286-6258
Building: 903 / 5G-016
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<[email protected]>]
Davanum Srinivas <[email protected]>
*Davanum Srinivas <[email protected]>*
06/18/2009 02:47 PM
Please respond to
[email protected]
To
[email protected]
cc
Subject
Re: Architecture Q&A Call
Eli,
The goal is to be as open as possible and post as many things as
possible
ahead of time, anything/everything to
facilitate an off-line discussion and ensure broadest participation.
* Any documents, please post URL's to wink-dev@ before the meeting
(google
docs or wiki or JIRA or anywhere else public
is ok)
* Come up with some sort of agenda items that needs to be discussed
(this
can be done on the wiki)
* Set up a specific start/stop time for the meeting so everyone can
plan to
be there at least for that duration.
* Please post the date/time of the IRC meeting, agenda and pointers
to any
documents.
* Someone should volunteer to keep the meeting on track
* Come up with proposals and possible solutions or action items for
agenda
items
* Post all above in logical chunks to wink-dev@ and ask for closure
on the
mailing list. This helps people who cannot
attend the IRC chat and still want to participate
* When the chat winds down, please post the log to wink-dev.
thanks,
dims
On 06/18/2009 01:53 PM, Baram, Eliezer wrote:
Dim,
I'm new to IRC meeting and I try to figure out the right format
that will
make this meeting work.
I would call the meeting successful if valid questions will be
raised
during the conference and a discussion will be made.
How do you recommend to run the IRC meeting ?
If we were running the meeting In a conference call with an
ability to
share documents (by Google document for instance, or sent earlier
by mail) I
would format this meeting in a way where the contributors of the
submissions
would present their submission. These presentations would hopefully
raise
questions, and a discussion will be created. What can be an IRC
alternative
to this in order to trigger such discussion?
Thanks,
Eli
-----Original Message-----
From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:[email protected]
<[email protected]>]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Architecture Q&A Call
Nick,
Yes, please use IRC and post the transcript to the mailing list.
No, you cannot make decisions on the IRC chat, you need to post
what ever
you are proposing on the mailing list and VOTE
on it (72 hours etc as usual)
thanks,
dims
On 06/18/2009 10:45 AM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
Jason, you (and anyone else for that matter) are absolutely
invited,
should
have made that point clear. I mentioned it on the list for
exactly that
reason though.
I agree that calls are not typical for the Apache projects I've
seen
either. But, it was proposed as a means to try to work through
the
issues
quickly and to get everyone acquainted. Most discussion will
obviously
happen on the mailing lists. But, we need to come to a decision
quickly
on
the base code as that's holding up any other work. If the
community
would
rather handle it via IRC then we can do that. If done on IRC, do
you
just
copy/paste the transcript somewhere for people to comment on
later?
Mentors, any suggestions here for how to have synchronous work
sessions
to
get through discussions quickly?
-Nick
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere - REST& WebServices Development
[email protected]
Phone: 512-286-6258
Building: 903 / 5G-016
Jason Dillon
<[email protected]
om>
To
Sent by: Jason [email protected]
Dillon
cc
<jason.dil...@gma
il.com>
Subject
Re: Architecture Q&A Call
06/18/2009 09:11
AM
Please respond to
wink-...@incubato
r.apache.org
I think I can make that, if I'm invited of course.
Though along those lines, typically "calls" aren't really used
that
much by the Apache community... IRC at times has even been a
stretch,
though I think many communities use it for regular group
communications. It may be construed as a bad sign if the first
major
discussion is effectively offline. Perhaps if a transcript of the
call was recorded somewhere, on this list, it might fly.
Otherwise
it may be better from a community perspective to hold this meeting
over IRC on freenode.net. But I'm unsure, we'll let the mentors
chime
in more on this.
I do think there needs to be more discussion on the merits of both
codebases before a descison is made.
Hope this helps...
--jason
On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
All,
I think it would be useful to have a call next week for some Q&A
regarding
the two runtimes and architectures. We can have the relevant
people
give
summaries of the work that's been contributed and then answer
questions.
Given the geographic dispersion, getting a time nailed down will
be
tough.
How does 8:00AM CST on Tuesday the 23rd work for everyone?
-Nick
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere - REST& WebServices Development
[email protected]
Phone: 512-286-6258
Building: 903 / 5G-016
--
- Bryant Luk
