[Winona Online Democracy] Greetings,
I think David and Chief Pomeroy have opened up an opportunity here for a dialogue the whole community would benefit from. I have a "modest proposal" . . . If they all would be willing, I would propose that David take the Chief up on his offer to participate in the ride-along program and then they all could report back to Winona Online Democracy on the experience. David, it would be great if you could go several times (perhaps over a week) to get a true feel for it and then if you and the officers you rode with could talk about it online. I think this would give the list, and the community, some insight into what our police officers do on a regular basis and increase our understanding of the issues involved. I think this would benefit both the public and the police department. -Steve Kranz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Pomeroy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'David'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K.C. O'Dea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: RE: [Winona] Trucks VS Trains > [Winona Online Democracy] > > David, in your long dissertation you say " I fail to see why this is a nice > place because members of a nice place do not try to run it's members down > daily". That sir is precisely what you are doing.You seem like a very > intelligent person, but you scurry your remarks with your hard line > prejudices to include anti-establishment, anti-government, anti-police, > anti-anti-anti, etc......................I believe that most of the citizens > of Winona consider it a safe place and are very happy to reside here. I also > believe that our efforts have contributed greatly to the safe environment. > David the crime rate in Winona has dropped approximately 33% from 1995 > through 2002. It was reduced from 5320 crimes in 1995 to 3298 in 2002, with > steady drops along the way. I have attributed the drops to many things to > include a community oriented policing approach which has been very > successful in curbing crime directly related to the abuse of alcohol and > drugs. . With your theory of under reporting one would have to assume that > for some unknown reason almost 2000 people affected by crime didn't report > the crime. We responded to the jake brake noise problem because we received > complaints. We really don't care whether the complaining parties have > pansies in their yard or they live in a public housing environment. Our job > is to handle the complaint. Regarding your traffic concerns we have > conducted many saturation patrols that have resulted in hundreds of > citations being issued for stop sign violations, speeding, improper lane > changes etc.. When the colleges start their sessions we inject thousands on > drivers onto the Winona streets. We have to continually work to hold the > speeds down and build a genuine respect amongst drivers. Your closing > comment "the police certainly have enough time" infers that you feel that > the police are sitting around with nothing to do. We have a ride-a-long > program David. You should consider partaking in that rather than criticizing > from your lounge chair. David my direct phone number is 457-6201. Call when > you have a concern. You state that all you received is pathetic lip service > from the police chief when you brought this issue up. I don't ever recall > you contacting me with a problem. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:19 PM > > To: K.C. O'Dea > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Winona] Trucks VS Trains > > > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > > > On Thursday, Sep 25, 2003, at 18:14 US/Central, K.C. O'Dea wrote: > > > > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > > > > > David Dittman Wrote: > > > The Winona police department should receive the John Latsch, Human > > > Rights award for their efforts to curtail sound violence against > > > prissy white people's pansies from jake braking trucks, while ignoring > > > a real issue right outside the LEC; drivers not using their turn > > > signals. Those poor, oppressed, white people's pansies were whithering > > > to a miserable death from the noise, until the police department > > > valiantly stepped in and defended those poor oppressed pansies by > > > choosing to enforce local ordinances rather than state laws such as > > > 169.19 subd 5. > > > > > > > > >> What if the jake-braking trucks don't use their blinkers? My point > > >> being that our police department keeps Winona's crime rate low, and > > >> for that you should be thankful Mr. Dittman. Be glad you can live in > > >> a community where the police can, if they so desire, concentrate some > > >> of their efforts on issues that you seem to find trivial. And what > > >> about the more moderatly priced homes that run alongside the railroad > > >> tracks within the city. Are those people who complain about the noise > > >> from trains being "Pansies?" > > > > > > Michael O'Dea > > > > I do not care about low crime rates... If I am under attack more than > > once per day from Winona's moron drivers that have recently become > > worse than ever before, what does a low crime rate mean if I am dead > > under someone's tire, as a result from a situation that is completely > > preventable? The hard realty, a low crime rate means nothing in this > > situation. > > > > * Furthermore, does the Winona Police Department really keep the crime > > rate low? Could the crime rate be much higher due to items not being > > reported? Quite possibly underreporting is the case. Officially the > > crime rate is low compared to what? > > > > * Truckers are far better drivers than most of the fools with their > > cars. If Winona's drivers drove half as well as ninety-nine percent of > > truckers on the road they would be fifty times better than they are now. > > > > * FYI 169.19 subd 5 is the turn signal law. > > > > The cops sit their acting like they are making the roads safe with Tom > > Williams and his cute quotes. When in reality, they are doing nothing. > > NOTHING! A driver moving three miles an hour faster than the limit does > > not mean jack. Yet, this is all they seem to focus on in terms of road > > safety. To Tom's defence, DUI's were also mentioned, that is a plus, > > they affect others much more than other items, however the assertion of > > the speed threat compared to other items is total rubbish. > > > > * I did not call anyone a pansy. Perhaps, reading my comments would > > help resolve this. I said the pansies were being affected. When you > > criticise others check your facts. (You are of course excused from this > > requirement, if you work for US based media or press establishment > > since they have proved incapable of doing this themselves.) > > > > To answer your question, about who can complain more. The RR homeowners > > have more of a right to complain than the those complaining about > > trucks. IMO. I have put up with trucks and trains, both are minor > > issues (barring the effects of trains on traffic from Mankato Avenue > > which is a major issue.) > > > > Furthermore, if you criticise someone, spell their name right. It is > > quite disrespectful. It may make your comments more consumable. > > Criticism: Good, Spelling names wrong: Bad > > > > (As for this entire issue, I have commented about this issue before to > > receive pathetic lip service from the chief of police. Therefore the > > sarcasm is completely justifiable as nothing has been done and I am > > trying to bring more awareness to the issue. The only thing that has > > happened is everything that has been mentioned has intensified recently > > despite my reduction of miles in this God Forsaken place that some > > actually regard as a nice place. I fail to see why this is a nice place > > because Members of A Nice Place do not try to run its members down > > daily. > > > > I should also mention, the police certainly have enough time. (I should > > say more, but those with the time on the force already know what I am > > referring to and need no clarification.) > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/onlinedemocracy%40winona.org/msg01213.html > > ) > > > > > > Have a nice day and do not get plucked by the pathetic drivers of > > downtown. > > > > ******************************************** > > David Dittmann > > The Winona police department should receive the John Latsch, Human > > Rights award for their efforts to curtail sound violence against prissy > > white people's pansies from jake braking trucks while ignoring a real > > issue right outside the LEC, drivers not using their turn signals. > > Those poor, oppressed, white people's pansies were whithering to a > > miserable death from the noise, until the police department valiantly > > stepped in and defended those poor oppressed pansies by choosing to > > enforce local ordinances rather than state laws such as 169.19 subd 5. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > > page at > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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