On Friday, Sep 26, 2003, at 09:11 US/Central, Frank Pomeroy wrote:
[Winona Online Democracy]
David, in your long dissertation you say " I fail to see why this is a nice
place because members of a nice place do not try to run it's members down
daily". That sir is precisely what you are doing.You seem like a very
intelligent person, but you scurry your remarks with your hard line
prejudices to include anti-establishment, anti-government, anti-police,
anti-anti-anti, etc...
Since when was there a problem with being anti-establishment, anti-government, anti-police? It certainly seems as if there is an implied problem with that. I have a problem with your defence of the establishment that inherently violates what the establishment claims to stand for.
Oddly, I adhere to a form of antidisestablishmentarianism as well as some disestablishmentarianism. However, I am not a not a total antidisestablishmentarian as your assertion seems to imply. It seems I am quite conservative when you get to the core.
Why not be anti-establishment and anti-government? Parts of the establishment need the living shreds torn out of them, and then some. The recent regimes seem to justify a course toward disestablishment. When these people ignore the very fabric that allowed them to take power, in-order to "catch a few terrorists", as they claim; but, considering they were doing just fine without their establishment destruction one needs to seriously question the actions of those vying to defend the establishment. It also seems odd that the current establishment is allowed to lobby the public toward specific issues then when others want to do the exact same action then the operators seem to pull the plug on the constitution. Translation: Hypocrites!
Then looking further into the establishment one sees one obvious picture. These are two mafias (Democrats and Republicans) running everything. They both work together to prevent other mafias (third parties like the Greens or Libertarians) from grabbing a piece of their collective pie. However, this is where their cooperation ends. They both have territories that they covet. (Seventy percent or more of the districts in this country consistently vote for one party or another and do not change.) They even have wars over turf. (Redistricting) They are both trying to run the other into the ground while failing to realise that this is highly unlikely. Looking at that picture is disgusting, and true. There are solutions to these problems however, neither mafia is willing to seriously examine them as that would force them to recognise their opposition. This is a blunder because in most cases the one exists because of the other. Everyone else in between and even those that support one party or the other suffer.
It seems odd that I am the only one being accused of being anti-establishment. No one has accused the city council of being anti-establishment. They should be accused of this. It would seem the definition would be highly fitting considering their recent flirtation with criminality. The city council seems to be guilty of violating more than one section of the Minnesota open meeting law. If the city council really wanted a Wal Mart, if their case was really legitimate, why not follow the law. It was not that hard and it was not an oppressive law. The same applies elsewhere.
Why am I the one being called anti-establishment, anti-government. I am not the one in the government that OKed the systematic violation of international law in the thousands of times. Acting-President George Walker Bush disagreed with The ABM Treaty and pulled out of that agreement as par the agreement. However, when it came to the United Nations, George Walker Bush (not to mention William Jefferson Clinton and almost every other US president since the founding of the UN) did not agree with that body at times and did not pull out as according to the agreement before acting. Instead the leaders have knowingly violated the UN Charter and other documents thousands of times rather than working with the body or acting in accordance to its principles. (Of course they could not work with the body since their actions would have been outright illegal.)
Furthermore, when one reads the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights ( http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html ) one can see quite clearly that as of late the current United States government is incapable of fulfilling the entire resolution even after fifty years. Recently, with legislation passed from multiple government units, more and more aspects of this document are getting thrown to the side. Some of these are so basic and simple that it would seem dumb for a "free state" like the United States of America to ignore them. Yet that is exactly what is happening. Since these are so basic, and those in office are incapable of working toward these goals, in fact, many choose to work against these goals, it is time for a large-scale revolution.
Anti-Cop, ask one question. Why is it this way? People do not become anti-cop overnight or with the flip of the wand. (The same applies to terrorism as well.)
I believe that most of the citizens
of Winona consider it a safe place and are very happy to reside here. I also
believe that our efforts have contributed greatly to the safe environment.
I did not say your efforts did not contribute to a safe environment. I pointed out, that a lack of murders or other felonies means nothing if you are dead under someone's tire from a situation that is preventable. There is a massive difference. (That magic word IF seemed to denote this quite well in the original text. )
David the crime rate in Winona has dropped approximately 33% from 1995
through 2002. It was reduced from 5320 crimes in 1995 to 3298 in 2002, with
steady drops along the way. I have attributed the drops to many things to
include a community oriented policing approach which has been very
successful in curbing crime directly related to the abuse of alcohol and
drugs. . With your theory of under reporting one would have to assume that
for some unknown reason almost 2000 people affected by crime didn't report
the crime.
Some crime does go unreported. I had a frying pan, a pancake flipper and ninety-nine dollars in change stolen. I did not report it stolen for two reasons. 1) I did not know when it was stolen as these are items most do not look at daily. Attempting to report this missing without a date is fruitless and a waste of your time not to mention mine. 2) Cash and Cooking Utensils are not items that get recovered since they are both rather common and again, it seemed like a waste of time. (I have no clue why someone stole two of my cooking utensils. That is just a bit strange considering there was other slightly more valuable items like alarm clocks. ;-) )
Some of the dumb stuff goes unreported.
Rape also is a crime that is not always reported.
We responded to the jake brake noise problem because we received
complaints. We really don't care whether the complaining parties have
pansies in their yard or they live in a public housing environment. Our job
is to handle the complaint. Regarding your traffic concerns we have
conducted many saturation patrols that have resulted in hundreds of
citations being issued for stop sign violations, speeding, improper lane
changes etc.. When the colleges start their sessions we inject thousands on
drivers onto the Winona streets. We have to continually work to hold the
speeds down and build a genuine respect amongst drivers. Your closing
comment "the police certainly have enough time" infers that you feel that
the police are sitting around with nothing to do.
I was told in a grapevine kinda chat... not sure where I heard it that it, but rumour has it that it was also suggested to move the speed signs so this jake braking would be done outside of city bounds and away from those affected.
...and about Turn Signals???
re: Time The implication was there, but I was alluding to something else.
We have a ride-a-long
program David. You should consider partaking in that rather than criticizing
from your lounge chair. David my direct phone number is 457-6201. Call when
you have a concern. You state that all you received is pathetic lip service
from the police chief when you brought this issue up. I don't ever recall
you contacting me with a problem.
My lounge chair is so comfortable. Perhaps I should stay there rather than working, after all I would not have to go by the LEC which seems as the epicentre of all the turn signal violations and other moronic behaviour.
I was referring to an email response from years earlier that I included in the bottom of the email. While it may not have been directed toward your desk, you did respond.
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David Dittmann
Last year, less than one thousand persons, worldwide, died as a result of terrorism, while in India, ten thousand persons died from venomous snakes.
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-----Original Message----- From: David [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Winona] Trucks VS Trains
[Winona Online Democracy]
On Thursday, Sep 25, 2003, at 18:14 US/Central, K.C. O'Dea wrote:
[Winona Online Democracy]
David Dittman Wrote:
The Winona police department should receive the John Latsch, Human
Rights award for their efforts to curtail sound violence against
prissy white people's pansies from jake braking trucks, while ignoring
a real issue right outside the LEC; drivers not using their turn
signals. Those poor, oppressed, white people's pansies were whithering
to a miserable death from the noise, until the police department
valiantly stepped in and defended those poor oppressed pansies by
choosing to enforce local ordinances rather than state laws such as
169.19 subd 5.
What if the jake-braking trucks don't use their blinkers? My point
being that our police department keeps Winona's crime rate low, and
for that you should be thankful Mr. Dittman. Be glad you can live in
a community where the police can, if they so desire, concentrate some
of their efforts on issues that you seem to find trivial. And what
about the more moderatly priced homes that run alongside the railroad
tracks within the city. Are those people who complain about the noise
from trains being "Pansies?"
Michael O'Dea
I do not care about low crime rates... If I am under attack more than once per day from Winona's moron drivers that have recently become worse than ever before, what does a low crime rate mean if I am dead under someone's tire, as a result from a situation that is completely preventable? The hard realty, a low crime rate means nothing in this situation.
* Furthermore, does the Winona Police Department really keep the crime rate low? Could the crime rate be much higher due to items not being reported? Quite possibly underreporting is the case. Officially the crime rate is low compared to what?
* Truckers are far better drivers than most of the fools with their
cars. If Winona's drivers drove half as well as ninety-nine percent of
truckers on the road they would be fifty times better than they are now.
* FYI 169.19 subd 5 is the turn signal law.
The cops sit their acting like they are making the roads safe with Tom
Williams and his cute quotes. When in reality, they are doing nothing.
NOTHING! A driver moving three miles an hour faster than the limit does
not mean jack. Yet, this is all they seem to focus on in terms of road
safety. To Tom's defence, DUI's were also mentioned, that is a plus,
they affect others much more than other items, however the assertion of
the speed threat compared to other items is total rubbish.
* I did not call anyone a pansy. Perhaps, reading my comments would
help resolve this. I said the pansies were being affected. When you
criticise others check your facts. (You are of course excused from this
requirement, if you work for US based media or press establishment
since they have proved incapable of doing this themselves.)
To answer your question, about who can complain more. The RR homeowners
have more of a right to complain than the those complaining about
trucks. IMO. I have put up with trucks and trains, both are minor
issues (barring the effects of trains on traffic from Mankato Avenue
which is a major issue.)
Furthermore, if you criticise someone, spell their name right. It is quite disrespectful. It may make your comments more consumable. Criticism: Good, Spelling names wrong: Bad
(As for this entire issue, I have commented about this issue before to
receive pathetic lip service from the chief of police. Therefore the
sarcasm is completely justifiable as nothing has been done and I am
trying to bring more awareness to the issue. The only thing that has
happened is everything that has been mentioned has intensified recently
despite my reduction of miles in this God Forsaken place that some
actually regard as a nice place. I fail to see why this is a nice place
because Members of A Nice Place do not try to run its members down
daily.
I should also mention, the police certainly have enough time. (I should
say more, but those with the time on the force already know what I am
referring to and need no clarification.)
http://www.mail-archive.com/onlinedemocracy%40winona.org/msg01213.html )
Have a nice day and do not get plucked by the pathetic drivers of downtown.
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David Dittmann
The Winona police department should receive the John Latsch, Human
Rights award for their efforts to curtail sound violence against prissy
white people's pansies from jake braking trucks while ignoring a real
issue right outside the LEC, drivers not using their turn signals.
Those poor, oppressed, white people's pansies were whithering to a
miserable death from the noise, until the police department valiantly
stepped in and defended those poor oppressed pansies by choosing to
enforce local ordinances rather than state laws such as 169.19 subd 5.
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