[Winona Online Democracy] I appreciate your knowledge in these areas, Duane. Just a friendly reminder to all, though, of the two post per day limit :)!
Kathy Seifert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Online Democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Winona] Is it time for the discussion? Polygamy > [Winona Online Democracy] > > Paul, I don't think you have to worry about insurance coverage. Since the > passage of the medicare amendments, employers will soon be induced to drop > all medical coverage for employees. The other option is to merely drop all > coverage for dependants and leave it optional for them to extend coverage. > I don't think that we have to decide all the questions you ask in advance. > Those who are worried in advance can change the insurance coverage as soon > as it appears that it will become an actual problem. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Online Democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:36 PM > Subject: FW: [Winona] Is it time for the discussion? Polygamy > > > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > Terri and others, > > Part of my question remains unanswered, if I stated it correctly was "Is it > polygamy if a male or female married "both" a person of the same sex and one > of the opposite sex based on the current definition of Polygamy by the > Supreme Court Decisions?" The text of the rulings which I found only relate > to either a male having two or more wives or a female having two or more > husbands. Having one of each doesn't seem to be illegal. If then one of > each is not polygamy then will it open the door for a challenge of the > earlier rulings as being discriminatory for a male or female to have more > than one current marriage to members of the opposite sex. > > Why should any employer provide healthcare benefits to anyone outside of the > employee? When they do is it not discriminatory to singles since their > compensation is not increased to match the cost of the married employee > doing the same job but not at the same compensation cost? In many cases > this is thousands of dollars per year in pay inequity. In addition does it > not promote marriage as a way to provide healthcare coverage to someone > without coverage at a cost to an employer and without any job related > productivity gain on behalf of the employed employee? > > Paul Double > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of terri hyle > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:19 PM > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > Paul, I'd like to address the following and to suggest that legalizing > marriage between two men or two women would in fact eliminate the problem > > You wrote: > " > In a recent TV news report a gay male couple had children with the consent > of a woman who agreed to give birth. The other male partner now wished to > have a child by the same woman and she has agreed. While she will be the > mother of all the children they will have different fathers. If one of the > fathers dies who gets custody? Who has the financial obligation to raise > the children including but not limited to their healthcare? Will the > employer of any one of the three be on the hook for healthcare?" > > > If the two men in question were married, this could, would and should easily > > be handled as with any surrogate parent situation. A couple (man/woman, > man/man or even woman/woman if for some reason neither can bear a child) > contracts with a woman to bear a child for them, using sperm and/or egg > (depending on situation and availability) and the woman conceives and bears > the child, turning the child over to the couple after the birth. A similar > situation would exist if the couple were in need of sperm instead of > eggs/womb. The non-genetically related partner can then adopt the child, > making the child legally the child of both parents, regardless of DNA or > gender. As with any adopted child or biological child, health care benefits > > can be easily extended to the child (and, I might mention, to the partner) > as part of an employee benefit package. Custody rights, rights of > inheritance, etc. would follow whatever family law standards and laws were > in place for heterosexual couples. Divorce laws and settlements need be no > different than for heterosexual couples. I don't see how or why gay > couples who wish to form a family and who wish to be parents need to be > treated differently than heterosexual couples. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN. > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page > at http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > page at > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > > _______________________________________________ > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page at > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. 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