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Kathy, did you check the dates of these posts from Duane? They are all from February 2004. What happened at hbci?
Vicki Englich
On Thursday, July 8, 2004, at 08:55 AM, Kathy Seifert wrote:
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I appreciate your knowledge in these areas, Duane. Just a friendly reminder
to all, though, of the two post per day limit :)!
Kathy Seifert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Online Democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Winona] Is it time for the discussion? Polygamy
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Paul, I don't think you have to worry about insurance coverage. Sincepassage of the medicare amendments, employers will soon be induced to dropall
all medical coverage for employees. The other option is to merely dropcoverage for dependants and leave it optional for them to extend coverage.--
I don't think that we have to decide all the questions you ask in advance.
Those who are worried in advance can change the insurance coverage as soon
as it appears that it will become an actual problem.
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From: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Online Democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:36 PM
Subject: FW: [Winona] Is it time for the discussion? Polygamy
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Terri and others,
Part of my question remains unanswered, if I stated it correctly was "Ispolygamy if a male or female married "both" a person of the same sex andonerelateof the opposite sex based on the current definition of Polygamy by the Supreme Court Decisions?" The text of the rulings which I found onlyto either a male having two or more wives or a female having two or morethe
husbands. Having one of each doesn't seem to be illegal. If then one of
each is not polygamy then will it open the door for a challenge of the
earlier rulings as being discriminatory for a male or female to have more
than one current marriage to members of the opposite sex.
Why should any employer provide healthcare benefits to anyone outside ofemployee? When they do is it not discriminatory to singles since theirit
compensation is not increased to match the cost of the married employee
doing the same job but not at the same compensation cost? In many cases
this is thousands of dollars per year in pay inequity. In addition doesnot promote marriage as a way to provide healthcare coverage to someoneeasily
without coverage at a cost to an employer and without any job related
productivity gain on behalf of the employed employee?
Paul Double
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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:19 PM
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Paul, I'd like to address the following and to suggest that legalizing
marriage between two men or two women would in fact eliminate the problem
You wrote:
"
In a recent TV news report a gay male couple had children with the consent
of a woman who agreed to give birth. The other male partner now wished to
have a child by the same woman and she has agreed. While she will be the
mother of all the children they will have different fathers. If one of the
fathers dies who gets custody? Who has the financial obligation to raise
the children including but not limited to their healthcare? Will the
employer of any one of the three be on the hook for healthcare?"
If the two men in question were married, this could, would and shouldbears
be handled as with any surrogate parent situation. A couple (man/woman,
man/man or even woman/woman if for some reason neither can bear a child)
contracts with a woman to bear a child for them, using sperm and/or egg
(depending on situation and availability) and the woman conceives andthe child, turning the child over to the couple after the birth. A similarbenefits
situation would exist if the couple were in need of sperm instead of
eggs/womb. The non-genetically related partner can then adopt the child,
making the child legally the child of both parents, regardless of DNA or
gender. As with any adopted child or biological child, health carepage
can be easily extended to the child (and, I might mention, to the partner)
as part of an employee benefit package. Custody rights, rights of
inheritance, etc. would follow whatever family law standards and laws were
in place for heterosexual couples. Divorce laws and settlements need be no
different than for heterosexual couples. I don't see how or why gay
couples who wish to form a family and who wish to be parents need to be
treated differently than heterosexual couples.
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