[Winona Online Democracy]

Title: Re: [Winona] school voting


Hello Fellow Countrymen and Lurkers,
 
  I love to lurk on WOD as much as Jim does.  I've been amazed over the last year at all the inaccurate things that have been put to print here, some simply from lack of knowledge, the worst are the many intentionally planted and pointedly untruthful posts.
 
  My good friend Jim, who knows I love him and am not attacking him, is in another category.  I suppose it could be inherited by osmosis and spring from his years at the WDN (yesterday's news tomorrow).  The golf club septic system went through an extensive (and permitted to State standards) upgrade a few years ago.  It does not leak sewage.  It was designed by the very same engineer that Phillips hired to do his recent wetland delineation work.  It works at least as good as the septic systems the city has gotten permits from the county for and then built into Prairie Island home sites (inside city limits!) over the last few years. 
 
   But really now, who believes this Pinnacle study commissioned by the city was commissioned for the health, safety, or welfare of Pleasant Valley residents?  It was commissioned purely as a public relations tool to compel support for the city's position and hostile actions, to sell hookups, and to start a public campaign process in hopes of persuading the MPCA to force hookups.  Why do you think they leaked it only to the WDN?   We know absolutely nothing of the process, parameters, or integrity of the Pinnacle "study" or what valid conclusions can be drawn from it, if any.
 
  It's not about poop, it's not about need, it's about greed and taking from your neighbor what he doesn't want to give.
                                                                                                Mike Kirschmann
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Winona] school voting

[Winona Online Democracy]


Folks:

You are epitomizing the findings of SMU and Steve Schild.

We treat this forum like our driving habits. We would never say to a member's face, what we say here.
We lose our Minnesota nice here and we wield our criticisms without regard until they bounce back in our face - then we cry foul.

I appreciated Allan's explanation of Linda's plight. As a city dweller who spent more than 25 years in the boonies, I can relate to wanting convenience, but wanting my privacy.  We didn't leave town without a mental check list - Got milk? Pick up the mail? Did I drop off the movies?

I might have liked a convenience store closer, but like everyone else, I want it in somebody else's back yard.

and Janice ... Do you recall how upset neighbors were when Springbook was proposed?

After Springbrook was developed the county responded by widening County Road 17 - making the valley ripe for further development.

The latest news that the soil samples from the site of the proposed sewer line in the old country club shows contamination is no surprise. If the MPCA tested the soil on the number 7 fairway they'd find Love Canal - only it would be all human waste.

The pond at the golf course is nothing but a sewage pond.

If I lived in Pleasant Valley I'd welcome anything to the valley that would prompt the homeowners with dysfunctional sewers to have them repaired. The county doesn't inspect sewers- unless a property transfers or is the house is remodeled.

Now...  will I get blasted by the people who dominate this forum?  I don't care, but I appreciate their dialog and I lurk and enjoy their banter.  Most of the time the dialog is predictable.




From: allan perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Online Democracy <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Winona] school voting


[Winona Online Democracy]


Linda,
Blunt yes, attack no.  I only hope that I am measured against the same standard afforded you.  Your monologues have been exceedingly caustic over the last few months.  And now tell me why your "opinions" should be given more liberty than mine.  Yes you are passionate about a subject, can no one else be so also?

Speaking of "opinions" I read that "the evil city" has an independent report showing the tributary below Springbrook is highly contaminated with human waste bacteria.  Pristine??  Someone's privy has a leak!

Al Perry

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I think Allen Perry's remarks to Linda Fort are harsh and uncalled for. We are
all intitled to an opinion and have the right to express them without being
personally attacked. Attacks like this do not win the school district any
points with people. My personal opinion on this, is I agree with Allen. I
live in the Country and am reminded everyday when I make 10 trips back and
forth to my home, that I chose to drive, I chose the inconvenience. My pay off
is not to be under the rule of the City and live in the Country and be
surrounded by beauty when I look out my windows. I don't fault Linda for not
liking the inconvenience. It is her right to voice this without an attack.
Janice Turek

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