Interesting. Would you be willing to share what your average user
consumes per month?
Thanks,
-dan
Dan Brisson
Network Engineer
University of Vermont
On 9/14/2015 7:18 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) wrote:
We map username to password and use bandwidth management to limit the amount
used per month. Users have the option of purchasing additional bandwidth. This
money helps subsidize our Internet connections.
Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions
(434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971
-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Eaton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms- quick Survey
Just to turn this on it’s ear a bit...
Why not go back to an open network for student devices, with the same EULA as
they’d get be it at a Starbucks, McDonalds, hotel, or convention center? Why
are we (my self included) so hell bent on student devices connecting via
WPA-Ent and all the challenges associated with accommodating devices that can’t?
Here at Rice, we have just that - 1 network (eduroam), 2 network (Rice
Owls, 802.1X authenticated), and 3 network (Rice Visitor, open, unencrypted,
with a pop-up welcome page to accept our use policy). We are not necessarily
hell-bent on getting a PSK/MAC authenticated network built, but our students
are. They want to put their Wii-U, Xbox, AppleTV, Roku, Google Chromecast,
etc. on the wireless network just like they would at home, their apartment,
etc. Obviously, they wouldn't do that at Starbucks, a hotel, or the like.
They live on campus, so it's their home.
Does data exist that shows all of this overhead we’ve created has had any
measurable benefit (for the cost), especially when the same users aren’t
concerned about over-the-air security when at the above mentioned places?
Why do we care so much? Is there some middle-ground that is “good enough” but
provides almost the same experience as at home?
Would our efforts be better spent implementing other beneficial technologies
such location-aware WiFi, where after the student connects all their AppleTV,
TimeMachine, and Chromecast devices, the network is smart enough to provide
them visibility of only those devices when in/near the same location e.g.
Location-aware bonjour?
Jeff
On 9/4/15, 7:51 AM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of
Lee H Badman" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]>
wrote:
Where it gets interesting- broadcast and single class C required. But- this is
a great summary of requirements.
Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e [email protected] w its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil
M
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 10:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in
the dorms- quick Survey
Here is my first pass at requirements:
1. The service must prevent or discourage devices that ARE capable of using
802.1x authentication from using the service.
2. The service should provide some sort of traceability of devices back to
their owners.
3. The service must provide some method to deny access to an individual
device.
4. The service must be easy enough to use that the average student can
connect a device to the network in 10-15 minutes without requiring assistance
from ITS.
5. The service must restrict access to only authorized University customers.
6. In the residence Halls, the service must support most the most common
consumer devices that students might bring to campus
We are also looking at a “Device Net” for campus for other devices that may not
do 802.1X (freezer monitors, digital signage, instrumentation, etc.).
For the residence hall device net we are thinking about blocking all access to
campus resources and just allowing internet access.
For the campus device net we thinking about RFC 1918 space restricting the
deivces to on campus resources only.
--
Neil Johnson
Network Engineer
The University of Iowa
Phone: 319 384-0938
Fax: 319 335-2951
E-Mail: [email protected]
On Sep 4, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)
<[email protected]> wrote:
What are you calling a Device Net?
We have an open SSID with a custom captive portal using the ClearPass eTIPS API.
We use this SSID for onboarding to 802.1X with Cloudpath XpressConnect Wizard,
registering a non-8012.1X device Endpoint in ClearPass (with AirGroup device
registration for Apple-TV) and for permitting non-802.1X network access, blocking
out internal web server & blackboard servers. If devices try to go to these
sites, they are redirected to Cloudpath XpressConnect Wizard.
I am leaving on vacation for a week, so it may take me a while to
resond further
Bruce Osborne
Wireless Engineer
IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions
(434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Neil M [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices" in the dorms-
quick Survey
We are investigating a device net at UofI so,
I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has implemented a Device Net
with Clearpass.
Thanks.
-Neil
--
Neil Johnson
Network Engineer
The University of Iowa
Phone: 319 384-0938
Fax: 319 335-2951
E-Mail: [email protected]
On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Lee H Badman <[email protected]> wrote:
There is an elegance in your wisdom, Chuck.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck
Enfield
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 5:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices"
in the dorms- quick Survey
Don’t tell me. Ignorance is bliss. Man, am I happy!
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David R.
Morton
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 5:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Supporting "those other Wi-Fi devices"
in the dorms- quick Survey
Lee,
Are you going to share the results of this survey as well?
David
David Morton
Director, Mobile Communications
Service Owner: Wi-Fi, Mobile & HuskyTV University of Washington
[email protected] tel 206.221.7814
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Lee H Badman <[email protected]> wrote:
As we look forward in how we service our residential spaces for
Wi-Fi, I’ve put together a quick survey on if/what other schools
are doing (and not doing) for supporting the perplexing gadgets
(TVs, games, entertainment dongles, etc) over Wi-Fi. Please consider
contributing at
https://www.quicksurveys.com/s/Wc92H
I’ll run this for two weeks, will post just a couple more invites on each list
in that period (so you know to expect a couple more… kind of advance spam
warning) and will open the results page up for both lists at the end. I know
I’m not the only one contemplating these questions. Should take minutes to sail
through, but decent participation could really help others in their own
thoughts about this challenging paradigm.
Thanks in advance!
Lee Badman | Network Architect
Information Technology Services
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e [email protected] w its.syr.edu
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu
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