Here at the Charleston Area Medical Center, we are moving to an 802.11ac Wave 2 rollout and due to the density requirements, (2 AP coverage at -63dbm, 3rd AP at -70) DFS on 5 GHz is mandatory. We were an early adopter of 802.11a and still have some 11a clients around that may or may not support 802.11h. I was very clear to management that some clients were going to have be replaced or switched to 2.4 GHz because of the requirements that had been given to me to support VoWiFi, VoLTE and high speed data and RTLS.
I know that a hospital is not the same as HigherEd but sometimes hard decisions have to be made to move forward. 802.11ac is going to push to DFS pretty quickly since the 8 non-DFS channels get used up in high-density deployments rapidly. Todd Smith From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck Enfield Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Turning off 2.4 on a select SSID? I haven’t read the whole thread, but just in case this wasn’t mentioned, DFS channels factor into this decision. Some clients don’t support any or all DFS channels. If those can fail over to 2.4, then DFS channel use if very practical. If they can’t, you must be far more discriminate with your DFS channel use. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:07 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Turning off 2.4 on a select SSID? B-G-N is 2.4 only, by definition. AC must support 5-Gig You have been away from the wireless world for too long. :D Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Network Services - Wireless (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Turning off 2.4 on a select SSID? My ears have been burning… I understand Hector's comment about the spirit of eduroam, but like Ryan I have also be tempted in the past to only support 5 GHz in certain areas because 2.4 GHz was becoming too much of a pain (e.g. Dormitories). The eduroam Compliance Statement requires 802.11, no frequency mentioned. eduroam users with 2.4GHz devices will just not see the available SSID if a school decides to only offer it at 5 GHz in certain locations. In a sense it is no different than schools only offering eduroam in certain locations. Now, if the entire eduroam SSID for all locations at the school is on 5 GHz, it might be challenging. But how many clients REALLY can’t support 5 GHz? The stats showing 2.4 GHz VS 5 GHz usage can be deceiving. Is it a client with both radios and a poor selection of spectrum, or is it really 2.4 Ghz only capable devices? It seems that the best way to know if 5 GHz only is fine for your community is to “just do it”. I checked cheap laptops at BestBuy and under specifications you find “Wireless-AC” or “Wireless-B, G, N". No reference to the type of radio. Those darn marketing people, they will get you every time. Philippe Philippe Hanset www.anyroam.net<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.anyroam.net&d=CwMFaQ&c=2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M&r=uvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc&m=i3isE0GfmBQ12S8KTBXQuEiEqwqLBkyI3lluRmdbmqE&s=YfQVn3JlW0dvBcPgfu3p5JiNvagC0KtzsRpSMfIhSB4&e=> www.eduroam.us<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.eduroam.us&d=CwMFaQ&c=2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M&r=uvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc&m=i3isE0GfmBQ12S8KTBXQuEiEqwqLBkyI3lluRmdbmqE&s=j-ZFEB5k2jeKycDJ3XkPJTde_BzbOJe9OnumQdFEyt0&e=> +1 (865) 236-0770 GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Turner, Ryan H <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I don't think so. I think anytime a university enforces a uniform policy that applies to all folks, it shouldn't be an issue. Of course, we are a long way from actually doing this. We'll involve Phillipe if we move forward. Sent from Outlook Mobile<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_qtex0l&d=CwMFaQ&c=2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M&r=uvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc&m=i3isE0GfmBQ12S8KTBXQuEiEqwqLBkyI3lluRmdbmqE&s=91RJH2BJ5wBS3Y9FgRJ1QW--IbbWaXV8LsQZG3_EauI&e=> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 7:01 AM -0700, "Hector J Rios" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I would go back to Jason's comment and reference eduroam's policy. I personally think that only allowing 5GHz on eduroam goes against the spirit the global availability of eduroam. My 2 cents. Hector Rios Louisiana State University -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Newton Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 8:54 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Turning off 2.4 on a select SSID? On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 01:27:04PM +0000, Joseph M. Karam wrote: > We offer 2.4 and 5 GHz service. When we have conflicts, we work with > departments to give them a channel in the 2.4 GHz space, then we take > that channel out of our central infrastructure. > So, for example we gave engineering channel 6 for all of their labs, > and we took that out of our central infrastructure. So far it has > worked well and we can play together nicely What do you do after you've given the last remaining free 2.4Ghz channel to the third department that requests one and you've got none left for yourselves? And presumably Engineering have lots of CCI because all of their APs are on the same frequency? Not critcising, just trying to understand! :) Matthew -- Matthew Newton, Ph.D. <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Systems Specialist, Infrastructure Services, I.T. 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