Can you blame them?

Congress is now considering demanding that ALL ISP's log ALL data to and
from thier customers.

Seems like a few someones a while back thought that we needed more
government involvement in the ISP business.

Right now, I think more and more are thinking that thier ONLY chance of
survival is obscurity.

BTW, tell the FCC that when they stop issuing forms that only work with ONE
program from ONE vendor, they'll have more luck in getting them filled out.



North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:14 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment


> All the same time, the industry doesn't bother to fill out their Form 477s
> also
>
> The sad thing is is that there are long term consequences towards
"flaunting
> the rules" -- namely the fact that you are just reinforcing the ILEC
> argument that unlicensed spectrum just creates a bunch of "cowboys" that
> can't be taken seriously
>
> Heck, even Marlon knows better than to wear his skin-tight pink flamingo
> suit when he represents the industry in DC
>
> -Charles
>
> -------------------------------------------
> CWLab
> Technology Architects
> http://www.cwlab.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of jeffrey thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:37 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
>
>
> In the larger scale of things- when you compare this to a carrier
deployment
> which would deliver thousands of CPE's service, this is a test. I know of
> one company that has recieved 28 STA's for 14 markets, for over 2000 CPE.
>
>
>
>
> -
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:33:33 -0400, "Gino A. Villarini"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
> > Do you really think towerstream need 150 field units or cpes to "test"
> > a single base station?
> >
> > Gino A. Villarini
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Jack Unger
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:07 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
> >
> > Gino,
> >
> > Is Towerstream doing this - using 3650 to deliver commercial service?
> >
> > jack
> >
> >
> > Gino A. Villarini wrote:
> >
> > > Towerstream anyone ?
> > >
> > > Gino A. Villarini
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> > > tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > On Behalf Of Jack Unger
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:56 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
> > >
> > > Jeffrey,
> > >
> > > I have to question the "judgement ability" (or the lack of it) of
> > > anyone
> > > who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a licensed
> > > "experimental" system and using it for a commercial,
revenue-generating
> > > purpose. Someone who would do this is (IMHO):
> > >
> > > 1. Someone with no business sense
> > > 2. Someone with no appreciation of (or experience with) the
> > > enforcement
> > > powers of the FCC
> > > 3. Someone who will likely turn out to be their own worst enemy
> > > 4. NOT someone who I could rely upon to provide me reliable, long-term
> > > WISP service.
> > >                jack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > jeffrey thomas wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Patrick,
> > >>
> > >>It doesnt change the fact that many have launched "limited"
> > >>deployments as a "test" but still charged for the access service,
> > >>banking on the fact that the FCC has set the band aside for
> > >>unlicensed anyways, and that the chance of the FCC cracking down on
> > >>them is very low.
> > >>
> > >>Im not saying this is right, but reality is such that they will be
> > >>evenutally amending the rules and the gear according to my sources
> > >>that is available today will be compliant. *shrug*
> > >>
> > >>-
> > >>
> > >>Jeff
> > >>
> > >>On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, "Patrick Leary"
> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any
> > >>>commercial services using 3650MHz.
> > >>>
> > >>>- Patrick
> > >>>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM
> > >>>To: 'WISPA General List'
> > >>>Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
> > >>>
> > >>>Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be
> > >>>"breaking the law" w/ a 3650 deployment
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>---------------------------
> > >>>To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
> > >>>Cc: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com>;
> > >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:32 AM
> > >>>Subject: [equipment-l] Experimental Licensing in the 3650 MHz Band -
> > >>>Clarifications
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Recently, there have been some misleading advertisements promising
> > >>>turn-key 3.65 GHz licensing services as a means of avoiding
> > >>>interference in congested
> > >>>license-exempt ISM/UNII bands.  Although the FCC issued adopted rules
> > >>>back
> > >>>in March 2005 to open access to new spectrum for wireless broadband
in
> > >>>the
> > >>>3.65 GHz band, a "minor" contention-based requirement has delayed the
> > >>>deployment of wireless broadband services in this band as equipment
> > >>>manufacturers currently work behind the scenes to iron out the
details.
>
> > >>>As
> > >>>things currently stand, deploying a 3.65 GHz system today falls under
> > >>>Subpart 5: Experimental Radio Service of the FCC Rules.
> > >>>
> > >>>Infrastructure Investment & Experimentation under Part 5 needs to
> > >>>be done strictly from a "curiosity" perspective rather than one of
> > >>>"commercial network expansion."  Part 5 permits experimentation in
> > >>>scientific or technical operations directly related to the use of
> > >>>radio waves. The rules provide the opportunity to experiment with
> > >>>new techniques or new services prior to submitting proposals to the
> > >>>FCC to change its rules.
> > >>>
> > >>>Some useful excerpts regarding Experimental Licensing
> > >>>
> > >>>47CFR5.3: Scope of Service
> > >>>
> > >>>Stations operating in the Experimental Radio Service will be
> > >>>permitted to conduct the following type of operations:
> > >>>(a)    Experimentations in scientific or technical radio research
> > >>>(b)   Experimentations under contractual agreement with the United
> States
> > >>>Government, or for export purposes.
> > >>>(c)    Communications essential to a research project.
> > >>>(d)   Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques.
> > >>>(e)    Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for
authorization
> > >>>in
> > >>>any other service.
> > >>>(f)     Demonstration of equipment to prospective purchasers by
persons
> > >>>engaged in the business of selling radio equipment.
> > >>>(g)    Testing of equipment in connection with production or
regulatory
> > >>>approval of such equipment.
> > >>>(h)    Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering data
> not
> > >>>related to an existing or proposed service, including field or
> > >>>factory testing or calibration of equipment.
> > >>>(i)      Development of radio technique, equipment, operational data
or
> > >>>engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service.
> > >>>(j)     Limited market studies.
> > >>>(k)   Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under
> > >>>paragraphs (a) through (j) of this section will be considered upon
> > >>>demonstration of need
> > >>>
> > >>>47CFR5.51: Eligibility of License
> > >>>
> > >>>(a)    Authorizations for stations in the Experimental Radio Service
> will
> > >>>be
> > >>>issued only to persons qualified to conduct experimentation
> > >>>utilizing radio waves for scientific or technical operation data
> > >>>directly related to a use
> > >>>of radio not provided by existing rules; or for communications in
> > >>>connection
> > >>>with research projects when existing communications facilities are
> > >>>inadequate.
> > >>>
> > >>>47CFR5.63: Supplementary Statements
> > >>>
> > >>>(a)    Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental Radio
> > >>>Service
> > >>>must enclose with the application a narrative statement describing
> > >>>in detail the program of research and experimentation proposed, the
> > >>>specific objectives sought to be accomplished; and how the program
> > >>>of experimentation
> > >>>has a reasonable promise of contribution to the development,
extension,
> > >>>or
> > >>>expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not
> already
> > >>>investigated.
> > >>>
> > >>>For further information regarding experimental licensing, the FCC
> > >>>has a nice online FAQ that gives a step-by-step how-to on
> > >>>experimental licensing: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/elbfaqs.html
> > >>>
> > >>>
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