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If/when the feds require it, I guess the way to do it would be to run
Ethereal in fully promiscuous mode on a mirrored port on a switch and
streaming it to server over the FBI's T1 to their server. When the
Federal government installs their T1 to my NOC, I would be willing to
upload it to them over their network resources to their server for them
to to keep on file for 2 years to never look at, otherwise, I don't
have any way to insure that the data hasn't been tampered with if it
stays in my file room. The government requiring me to keep two years
records of all network traffic seems unreasonable. If I were a defense
attorney defending a client whose evidence against him was stored by
some local ISP dinks on their servers for 24 months, I would certainly
question the chain of the evidence, and likely get it thrown out. Here is an example of how this could go wrong: If I am an ISP operator (I am actually) and I have a vendetta against a client (I don't, or at least not one I want to discuss here) and I am in charge of keeping network logs of all of that client's traffic, I could easily forge the records to make it look like he had committed a horrific crime, like reproducing the transcript of the commentary of a game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball, and make it look like it came from his IP address. I don't know how that record, 24 months old, and sitting in my tape locker could ever be held as compelling evidence against him, unless there was already an investigation, where these records still probably couldn't make or break a case. I suppose that the thinking is, that if the subscriber is guilty of child porn, and they can prove what site he downloaded from and sent it to, they could go after that web host for hosting the smut. Either way, putting it off to the local ISP to keep records seems far fetched. Pete Davis NoDial.net Mac Dearman wrote: You have enough clients that it would bankrupt you to build a server to log your HTTP & SMTP traffic? I don't think it would be that difficult or expensive, but agree that it would be a major PITA! I am pretty sure we will never be faced with this as the majority of us aren't reliable enough to even set this up nor responsible enough to keep up with it reliably for two years.Mac Dearman -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this? Common sense tells you that the big boys will lobby to force the last mile provider to log it all, so as to bankrupt the competition. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?I wouldn't imagine that this responsibility would fall on us WISPs, but to our upstream providers like BellSouth...etc. Why would they want to deal with the 20,000 piss ants of the world when all they have to do is back up stream two hops and catch all the traffic? Common sense tells me this will not fall on us! Mac -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060601/ts_nm/security_internet_usa_dc Why aren't we fighting tooth and nail to stop this kinda stuff? Or, is this issue like certain others, where WISPA founders take contrary positions to the rest of the members and side with big brother andencourage |
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