Lonnie,

  When I used the term "piss ant" it was referring to the working guys of
this business. We all know how the ants work :-) doggedly for a small
portion of the whole.

 Once again, I think its ridiculous to even think that the Feds would allow
us - or put on us - - the responsibility of keeping those records. I really
will go one step further than that and say that it is not possible! Look at
it this way:
   Why would you sop the water off the ground with a sponge and then wring
the sponge out in the bucket when you could catch it in the bucket at the
spigot before it runs out all over the Country? I know my fiber connection
is tied in directly to Shreveport, Louisiana - - - and so is every other
facility in N. Louisiana that has fiber including all the DSL where its
dumped into the fiber at the Telco CO's. 

  I don't really have an awful lot of faith in our Government, but even a
simple mind like mine can see that we aren't ever going to be faced with
that responsibility. There are a bunch of renegades (like me) out here who
already are at odds with the Government and do you think they are going to
trust me (and others like me) to gather, maintain and retain that type data
when they have folks (just one or two hops upstream from all of us) who can
be held responsible and own the spigot we pull from? I just can't see
how/why anyone would wait till the end of the pipe where it goes out to
50,000 distribution points when they (once again) can catch it all at one
facility. It seems like a "no brainer" to me.


ME SMUG? HA! That makes me smile :-)


Mac Dearman



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?

Just try and imagine how much storage you would require for 2 years
worth of traffic.  Guys are joking about it being good so they can get
the Terabyte server they always wanted.  How about when they have to
buy 50 of them?

Also consider the task of assigning IP addresses and maintaining that
list to always be up to date and correct.

If this requirement is made I do expect you will see an awful lot of
guys stop doing this since the paperwork and records keeping would be
an added chore and a possible huge expense.  If you elect to ignore it
if it is ever required expect to be asked to do jail time and pay huge
fines.

Make light of this all you want, but I believe that your smugness will
not last long if it becomes a requirement.

Lonnie

On 6/4/06, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have enough clients that it would bankrupt you to build a server to
log
> your HTTP & SMTP traffic? I don't think it would be that difficult or
> expensive, but agree that it would be a major PITA! I am pretty sure we
will
> never be faced with this as the majority of us aren't reliable enough to
> even set this up nor responsible enough to keep up with it reliably for
two
> years.
>
> Mac Dearman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?
>
> Common sense tells you that the big boys will lobby to force the last mile
> provider to log it all, so as to bankrupt the competition.
>
>
>
>
> North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
>
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> -
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?
>
>
> > I wouldn't imagine that this responsibility would fall on us WISPs, but
to
> > our upstream providers like BellSouth...etc. Why would they want to deal
> > with the 20,000 piss ants of the world when all they have to do is back
up
> > stream two hops and catch all the traffic? Common sense tells me this
will
> > not fall on us!
> >
> >
> > Mac
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:19 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Why's WISPA silent about this?
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060601/ts_nm/security_internet_usa_dc
> >
> > Why aren't we fighting tooth and nail to stop this kinda stuff?
> >
> > Or, is this issue like certain others, where WISPA founders take
contrary
> > positions to the rest of the members and side with big brother and
> encourage
> > the feds to dig into and regulate our business, in some apparent hope of
> > ingratiating themselves with the regulators?
> >
> > AT LEAST could we have the leadership tell us what THEY think of this?
> >
> > North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
> > personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
> > sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
> > Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
> >
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