Patrick, Does your boss know you are taking on the industry you are trying to sell to? I agree with John, know when to back off and realize what a vendor is supposed to know "buyer is right". Not to speak for John but you taking on John again should really make him want to return equipment and it certainly has affected my desire to by Alvarion. You came after me once and it certainly soured my desire to deal with your company as I admitted to Marlon. I have learned the hard way that I can't force my opinion on people and hell I'm an owner not a supplier. I've probably already said too much but I can just feel the same thought I had before when I was in your crosshairs and that was 'this is no way for a vendor to act'.
Forbes John, I have railed against illegal vendors for years -- before you put up your first link. I (in official "corporate" capacity) have met with officials on the topic. I (in official corporate capacity) have met with lawyers on the topic. I have publicly spoken out at events on the topic. Who is stereotyping? I have said "many" and that's the truth and it's not even a debate. What's "trying to do right"? One either follows the rules or does not. No FUD being slung here. On the 4.9 issue I filed that question and deal with that assumption quite a bit. I suspect your definition of WISP is more narrow than mine. Mine includes ANY entity providing services with wireless broadband gear. There are utility-based WISPs, telco WISPs, large funded WISPs, Mom and Pop WISPs, rural WISPs, etc. The fact is that the public is not able and does not differentiate between all the competing groups of WISPs and groups like WISPA should understand that. You "want it to stop," John? Well, you have the power to censure your list from those you disagree with. You will have to mute dissent then, as I will not subdue my opinion on the topic because you wield power. Has does one best use their power John? To silence rational opinion one disagrees with? Must we all be sensitive or averse to differing from your opinion? Should I watch my back and wait to be called into the corner office for expressing my qualified opinion because you "want it to stop"? Patrick -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with uncertified gear? These are your peers. Do you like being stereotyped with them? Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being predominantly illegal and the source of the problem is not accurate or fair and I want it to stop. The majority of the WISPs out there are trying to do right. It is the vendors who are the real problem. The majority of vendors ignore the law. The last gear purchase I made was for an Alvarion B100 backhaul link which is due in here today. It is certified but now I wonder if buying from a vendor who stereotypes the industry is a good idea. Maybe I made a mistake buying from your company? By the way, the slam about 4.9 GHz is completely erroneous and you need to apologize. The vast majority of WISPs stay the hell away from 4.9 and other bands which we are not allowed in. You need to watch your tack on this public list. Being a paid vendor member does not give you the right to sling mud or FUD. Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: >I understand and agree, but that's all the more reason why WISPs need to >police themselves because the public impression and liabilities are >there just as well. > a >Sometimes I wonder if the FCC is not content to let WISPs sort of stay >partially self-destructing. It gives them and the major operators an ace >in the hole against WISPs if and when they need it. > >Patrick Leary >AVP WISP Markets >Alvarion, Inc. >o: 650.314.2628 >c: 760.580.0080 >Vonage: 650.641.1243 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 >Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:14 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces > >Yeah, for sure. > >However, the FCC must take some credit for that problem Patrick. How >many >times have you been told that operator a has turned in operator b for an > >illegal network and never heard a peep out of the FCC? > >laters, >Marlon >(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales >(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services >42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:49 AM >Subject: RE: [WISPA] TV white spaces > > >I hope it does go UL, but I have also heard some recent rumblings that >the FCC is concerned with what seems like a widespread deterioration of >WISPs following the rules. The phrase I recall is something along the >lines of "Damn it, these things are not guidelines." > >>From my view it is true. I see it in conversations that go beyond the >usual, "if you just stay within the power no one cares" to now where >people seem to via the STA process as a round-about tool to get access >to and use spectrum that does not commercially exist. > >Letting loose the same level of abuse in the TV bands is something that >will cause real problems for the FCC should broadcasters be affected. > >The WISP industry must do a better job of policing itself and >discouraging the slippery slope. > >Patrick Leary >AVP WISP Markets >Alvarion, Inc. >o: 650.314.2628 >c: 760.580.0080 >Vonage: 650.641.1243 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Jack Unger >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:22 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces > >Steve, > >I appreciate your insight into the possibility that license-exempt white > >space use might actually materialize. I very much hope that it does. > >jack > > >Steve Stroh wrote: > > >>Jack: >> >>Consider... >> >>To the television broadcasters, WISPs using this spectrum in a "we'll >> >> > > > >>stay out of the way of any television broadcasting activity" manner >> >> >is > > >>the lesser of several other evils; television broadcasting has been >>steadily losing ground now; first 800 MHz was carved out of Channels >>70-83, and now the 700 MHz bands are being carved out of Channels >>52-69. The trend is clear, and while it's one thing for powerful >>terrestrial broadcasting to "share" spectrum with low-power >>license-exempt usage, it's quite another for communications use to do >> >> > > > >>the same. If the broadcasters play things right (and it appears they >>are "bending" towards white space license-exempt usage, but very much >> >> > > > >>on THEIR terms...) the license-exempt usage of television white space >> >> > > > >>may serve to "pollute" the remaining television broadcast spectrum >>sufficiently to prevent future reallocation (for at least another >>decade or so). >> >>Intel, Microsoft, Cisco are some of the names being bandied about as >>advocates for license-exempt use of white space television broadcast >>spectrum. >> >> >>Thanks, >> >>Steve >> >> >> >>On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24 09:21 AM, Jack Unger wrote: >> >> >> >>>Likelihood of unlicensed??? >>> >>>My guess is that the established communications carriers and the >>>broadcasters will fight the concept of license-free use of this >>>space. I expect it will come down to who lobbies Congress most >>>effectively. >>> >>>-- >>>Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >>>Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 >>>Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" >>>True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting >>>Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html >>>Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com >>> >>> >> >>--- >> >>Steve Stroh >>425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Writing about BWIA again! - www.bwianews.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ************************************************************************ ************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). ************************************************************************ ************ ************************************************************************ ************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). ************************************************************************ ************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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