Bear in mind everyone- the Airspan product is also about 2x the price of redline on base. Its ultimately designed for zero truck roll mobility for indoor 2km cells ( and works, Im actually sitting in Airspan's boca facility right now, getting training on Hipermax ) You could as well use it for fixed NLOS. Personally I would wait on the mobility until they release software version 8 which includes 2x2 mimo matrix A / B / S0FDMA 1024.
it looks pretty damn sweet. ill keep everyone posted as we have 4-5 customers rolling networks this quarter. ( we dont however sell direct, via channel partners ) I love their new USB modems, sub 200.00 in massive QTY.... I AM ultimately excited the most about the fixed oppty, with super rad long range fixed coverage in NLOS. - Jeff On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:42:28 -0600, "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > and the Redline grant: > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=549096&fcc_id=QC8-AN100UA > > So Redline unit does have FAR less power available then AirSpan. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > Airspan grant: > > > > https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/Eas731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COP > > Y&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=686827&fcc_id=O2J-365T > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:24 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > Mike, > > > > Now that I've read those posts of yours, I better understand your > > position. > > I was not taking reduced power into consideration. I just had in my > > mind > > the 25watts EIRP often mentioned in FCC precentations over the years. > > > > To the best of my knowledge, the AirSpan product that I am familiar > > with, do > > not have that same limitation. > > Although I do not have that data off the top of my head, to respond > > accurately. > > > > But regardless... What we have here is not a limitation by WiMax, nor by > > > > 3.6G, nor FCC, but a limit posed by the manufacturers and their designs. > > > > Doesn't anyone have any insight on why the FCC rules allow more power > > for > > wider channels? > > > > I realize that wider channels create larger internal system noise, which > > > > could be a reason for needing more power for wider channels. > > But that is in contradiction to 2.4Ghz rules for Smart Array antennas, > > that > > rewarded in highr power for those that had narrower beamwidths, and > > interfere less. > > In that spirit, I would think it would have been wise to reward those > > who > > strived to use smaller channels, apposed to penalize them for being more > > > > efficient. > > There obviously has to be a technical reason apposed to spectrum > > ediquete. > > > > Tom DeReggi > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > > > > >> See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed > > documents. > >> It just doesn't have the power. > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > >> > >> > >>> Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. > >>> You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. > >>> In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. > >>> > >>> I think its important to define country. If you are talking about > > Idaho > >>> with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is > > the > >>> better option. > >>> But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 > > 6Mhz > >>> channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to > >>> acheive > >>> high modulations because its noise free. > >>> > >>> Tom DeReggi > >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > >>> > >>> > >>>> Exactly. > >>>> > >>>> What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city? > >>>> > >>>> What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- > >>>> Mike Hammett > >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:11 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I guess I am a bit perplexed by this premise. Why would people in > > urban > >>>>> areas pay for low bandwidth wireless broadband options? What > > problem > >>>>> does this platform solve under that scenario? > >>>>> Scriv > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: > >>>>>> I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. > > It > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> not > >>>>>> for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's > > > >>>>>> only > >>>>>> practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low > >>>>>> throughput > >>>>>> clients. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Mike Hammett > >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX > > Service > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to > > 3.65 > >>>>>>> just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue > > a > >>>>>>> new > >>>>>>> profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already > > cover. As > >>>>>>> far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects > > and > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a > > move > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. > >>>>>>> Scriv > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Clint Ricker wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tom, > >>>>>>>> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive > > in > >>>>>>>> terms > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> deliverables. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My main point is more that communications in marketing often > >>>>>>>> involves > >>>>>>>> using > >>>>>>>> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your > >>>>>>>> product. > >>>>>>>> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business > > and > >>>>>>>> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the > > reality is > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is > >>>>>>>> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your > >>>>>>>> product. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting > > something > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't > > advocate > >>>>>>>> and, > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the > >>>>>>>> deliverables, > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> that sense. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> Clint Ricker > >>>>>>>> -Kentnis Technologies > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to > > expand > >>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> new > >>>>>>>>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he > > uses of > >>>>>>>>> Press > >>>>>>>>> Releases. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings > >>>>>>>>> regarding > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> release. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. > >>>>>>>>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest > >>>>>>>>> state > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> art. All the same to the consumer. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". > >>>>>>>>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false > > conclusion. > >>>>>>>>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in > > the > >>>>>>>>> public > >>>>>>>>> eye. > >>>>>>>>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. > >>>>>>>>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. > >>>>>>>>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the > >>>>>>>>> characteristics > >>>>>>>>> of unlicensed, with registration added. > >>>>>>>>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is > > misled > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>> the service is something more than it really is. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its > > not > >>>>>>>>> illegal. > >>>>>>>>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any > >>>>>>>>> different > >>>>>>>>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press > > releases? > >>>>>>>>> Maybe > >>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>> clever marketing? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tom DeReggi > >>>>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>>>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX > > Service > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to make a point in return. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for > > marketing > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in > >>>>>>>>>> technology? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their > > target > >>>>>>>>>> market > >>>>>>>>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their > >>>>>>>>>> customers > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their > > bandwidth > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> coming > >>>>>>>>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks > > > >>>>>>>>>> like > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> duck > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call > > it a > >>>>>>>>>> duck > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists > > when > >>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> grow > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, > > this > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> complete absurdity. > >>>>>>>>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the > >>>>>>>>>> concept--which > >>>>>>>>>> is, > >>>>>>>>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do > >>>>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> then > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic > >>>>>>>>>> Transport > >>>>>>>>>> Solutions". > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell > >>>>>>>>>> "VoIP" > >>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get > > digitized, > >>>>>>>>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes > > that no > >>>>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time > > they > >>>>>>>>>> make > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> even > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while > >>>>>>>>>> definitely > >>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and > >>>>>>>>>> technical > >>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a > > short > >>>>>>>>>> amount > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to > > sell > >>>>>>>>>> "telephone > >>>>>>>>>> service", not "Voice over IP". > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better > > because > >>>>>>>>>> he > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> calls > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> pre-release > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, > > that > >>>>>>>>>> involves > >>>>>>>>>> communication. Using language that people can understand > > sells > >>>>>>>>>> products > >>>>>>>>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your > >>>>>>>>>> objective > >>>>>>>>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to > > using > >>>>>>>>>> language > >>>>>>>>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -Clint Ricker > >>>>>>>>>> Kentnis Technologies > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr > >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if > > stuff > >>>>>>>>>>> like > >>>>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it > > is > >>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> isn't). > >>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX > > based, > >>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running > >>>>>>>>>>> 2.5Ghzand > >>>>>>>>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> making > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> point. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr > >>>>>>>>>>> Wireless Network Engineer > >>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) > >>>>>>>>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM > >>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To > > Rollout > >>>>>>>>>>> New > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> WiMAX > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Service > >>>>>>>>>>> Importance: Low > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>> US > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> because > >>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for > > 3.65 > >>>>>>>>>>>> GHz > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly > > non-interoperable). > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention > > protocol" > >>>>>>>>>>> requirement. 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