Only thing I want to know is the price range, offlist if you must. But 
I'm sure everyone is curious.

Thanks

George

Eric Muehleisen wrote:
> We just completed a demo of Airspan's Hipermax in Emporia, Kansas 
> yesterday. Stutler Technologies hosted us as they are one of the largest 
> systems integrators for Airspan. I must say that I was very impressed 
> with it's NLOS performance. We tested both the indoor self install and 
> the outdoor ST Pro CPE. We achieve 6mb/s indoor at 2 miles NLOS. The 
> base station was a 1 sector install using diversity at approximately. 
> 50ft up on tower using 120 degree sectors. 
> 
> Email me offlist if you'd like more info and whitepapers from our testing.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> jeffrey thomas wrote:
>> All,
>>
>>
>> Aperto actually has a really killer product launching next month in
>> 3.65.
>> I would state its a lot more stable than Redline's product due to their
>> "secret sauce". Its the same platform that is winning carriers overseas. 
>>
>> Airspan- yes absolutely can give you up to 10w EIRP legal- so your
>> coverage
>> area for fixed is literally insane- 15km NLOS @ bpsk is possible,
>> according 
>> to their calculator tool.  outdoor cpe is around 600 or so in single
>> piece qty-
>> talk to wireless guys to buy or other resellers. 
>>
>> BTW, I believe they just joined Wispa as a vendor member, for those that 
>> sent me private mails asking them to join.
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:44 -0600, "Mike Hammett"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>   
>>> So then Airspan can go further (more applicable to rural markets)?
>>>
>>> If Redline's 15 mbit throughput per 7.5 MHz is correct and is similar to 
>>> other products in this band, a 10 MHz product would have 20 mbit
>>> throughput.
>>>
>>> I'm working on an Enterprise level service, so it seems like Redline's
>>> AN-80 
>>> is the only high quality product that actually has throughput
>>> capabilities.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks 
>>> ToRollout New WiMAX Service)
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>> IIRC,
>>>>
>>>> 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5
>>>> Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10
>>>> Watts EIRP ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why
>>>>
>>>> Airspan certification does get really close to it
>>>>
>>>> Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db)
>>>>
>>>> Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To
>>>> Rollout New WiMAX Service)
>>>>
>>>> As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I
>>>> switch the subject line to match the tread.
>>>>
>>>> Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment.
>>>> However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear
>>>> certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this
>>>> reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural
>>>> markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural
>>>> market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did.
>>>> Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for
>>>>
>>>> 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able
>>>>
>>>> to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the
>>>> FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity
>>>> for operators to provide services using 3.65.
>>>>
>>>> -Matt
>>>>
>>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC
>>>>> limitations.
>>>>>
>>>>> My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear
>>>>>         
>>>> can do
>>>>       
>>>>> coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification.
>>>>>
>>>>> The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles.  With a 90*
>>>>> sector, only about 5 miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it
>>>>>         
>>>> isn't
>>>>       
>>>>> because the power isn't there.
>>>>>
>>>>> The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small
>>>>> channels.  If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support
>>>>>         
>>>> higher
>>>>       
>>>>> throughput applications.  According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets
>>>>>         
>>>> about 15
>>>>       
>>>>> megs of throughput with WiMax.
>>>>>
>>>>> Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to
>>>>>         
>>>> the
>>>>       
>>>>> power.
>>>>>         
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