++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <insert witty tagline here> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > > This is correct. There was some money available to assist, but not > enough for 100% of the cost involved. I'm not going into the > politics involved here, but I can imagine the logistical nightmare > of trying to oversee moneys to assist ISPs with doing the same > thing. Either way, WISPA's standard makes this a moot point, as > the real cost is VERY minimal (actually, nearly $0) for MOST WISPs > to become compliant. I can't imagine how this is true. Are you attempting to tell me that all of you operate with a single point of failure? > >>Fact of the matter is that the internet is becoming the defacto >>alternate PSTN network and when you are a public utility you become >>beholden to the public you serve and the greater good. > > Good point. I think the real problem with this discussion is that > we are trying to answer a question that is based on a false premise. > CALEA is NOT about forcing ISPs to provide data. We were always in > that boat, given that LEA could ask for subpoenas and get them. > CALEA is about protecting the innocent. What CALEA actually does is > only 3 things: > > 1. It forces the industry to decide on an "industry standard" method > for delivering the data. The WISPA CALEA Standard does this. This is completely broken, unrepairable. The methodology is simply not compatible with intelligent network design. > > 2. It places requirements on LEA for proving to a judge the need for > the data. This means that there are limits to the types of data, as > well as the volume of the data that an LEA can get. This has always been the case, and has nothing to do with technical mandates on network design and function. > > 3. Because of number 2, it protects the consumer. LEA cannot > "willy-nilly" ask for data captures or records from an ISP just > because they want to go on a witch hunt. They must provide > information to the judge that tells that judge specifically what > they are looking for. This is established law clear back to the signing of the Constitution. Can't figure out what CALEA has to do with this, other than it mentions this again. > > If you come into this discussion with the notion that CALEA is about > forcing ISPs to do anything, then you are looking at it in the wrong > way. No, it is just one more nail in our coffin, removing what I consider to be the single greatest advantage to using wireless WAN's. > >>Telcos did not like CALEA any more than the ISPs. Actually, the >>FBI and CALEA vendors are the only ones that liked CALEA. > > There are politics and a LOT of money to back this statement up. > There are a handful of (former) FCC employees that are very wealthy > as a result of the CALEA laws being applied to data networks. I > won't go further into this, because it just raises my blood > pressure. Let 'er rip, Butch... repressed anger raises blood pressure more than expressed anger :) > > -- > ******************************************************************** > *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * > *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS * > *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * > *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * > *http://blog.butchevans.com/ *Wired or wireless Networks * > *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer * > ******************************************************************** > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
