Please don't get into this... We all know where this conversation leads... We've seen it so many times before...
Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998-5555 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - TradeAssociationWas:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking > I AM a telephone company and I am a WISP and I have participated in lawful > intercepts of data and call information on multiple occasions. > You are paranoid. Cops just want the best you can give them as quick as you > can give it to them. If you get stupid with them, then maybe you will have > reason to fear. Hmmm, that might explain some of your posts... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade > AssociationWas:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking > > > > This is where I am sadly going to post to you sometime in the near > > future... > > > > I told you so. > > > > And that will be the saddest day for all of us. > > > > I have no "unfounded fears". I just read and understand precisely what > > these things mean. It won't be the first one, it won't be the second > > one. > > It may not even be the first time someone's data doesn't work out for LEA > > that things go sour. But it WILL happen. YOU will find yourself > > explaining your mechanism for security, confidentiality, and so on. And > > those are the aspects that will kill us. > > > > No matter what the folks who liason with you at the FCC or FBI, they don't > > speak for the irritated prosecutors or agents who will not have had ny > > quality control over the data themselves, and so will dump on YOU. And > > they do intend for you to do this JUST LIKE THE PHONE COMPANY. That > > means > > the locked buildings, the hard lines, the secure data storage, and on and > > on. I'm not kidding. There's a reason the reports insist on you > > explaining your plan for each of these things, including the chain of > > custody for the data and your security plan. They expect a specific set > > of > > circumstances, and to them, that's what CALEA means to them. > > > > How many times have we seen a big flap in the news because some low level > > flunkie took a laptop home, or whatever? Those are only the things that > > make the news. > > > > How long will you be collecting data? Are you going to have someone to > > physically be there? If not, and if the location isn't secure, alarmed, > > and locked, POOF. You're toast. And so's the case for the LEA. > > > > Your data has obvious gaps in the packets... Do you think that "there's > > packet loss between the access point and my collection point" going to > > mollify someone wanting to make an example of you? Nope. First rule > > of > > law... if you can't prosecute the criminal, get the guy watching him...". > > YOU will be the target and they'll come guns blazing. It would be better > > for you to say you can't do it, than to do it and then let them down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > <insert witty tagline here> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association > > Was:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking > > > > > >> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>Forrest, let me get back to the very old conversation about why > >>>WISPA should organized at least 1500 filings to the FCC by every > >>>WISP they could get to act, to say "This cannot be done". > >> > >> Your fears are unfounded and not based in reality. I understand, > >> now, why you think it will cost so much. You are simply incorrect > >> in nearly all of your assumptions. Have you even read the standard? > >> The Law? Nowhere in either will you find ANY of what you are > >> talking about. > >> > >>>3. Once your data is collected, it must be remain secure. You > >>>must have a safe or a vault in which to keep it, expressly and > >>>solely for the purpose of > >> > >> This is ludicrous. Your whole post, I mean, not just this one > >> point, though this one is the most laughable. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ******************************************************************** > >> *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * > >> *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS * > >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * > >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * > >> *http://blog.butchevans.com/ *Wired or wireless Networks * > >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer * > >> ******************************************************************** > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > >> WISPA Wants You! 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