I AM a telephone company and I am a WISP and I have participated in lawful intercepts of data and call information on multiple occasions. You are paranoid. Cops just want the best you can give them as quick as you can give it to them. If you get stupid with them, then maybe you will have reason to fear. Hmmm, that might explain some of your posts... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade AssociationWas:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking
> This is where I am sadly going to post to you sometime in the near > future... > > I told you so. > > And that will be the saddest day for all of us. > > I have no "unfounded fears". I just read and understand precisely what > these things mean. It won't be the first one, it won't be the second > one. > It may not even be the first time someone's data doesn't work out for LEA > that things go sour. But it WILL happen. YOU will find yourself > explaining your mechanism for security, confidentiality, and so on. And > those are the aspects that will kill us. > > No matter what the folks who liason with you at the FCC or FBI, they don't > speak for the irritated prosecutors or agents who will not have had ny > quality control over the data themselves, and so will dump on YOU. And > they do intend for you to do this JUST LIKE THE PHONE COMPANY. That > means > the locked buildings, the hard lines, the secure data storage, and on and > on. I'm not kidding. There's a reason the reports insist on you > explaining your plan for each of these things, including the chain of > custody for the data and your security plan. They expect a specific set > of > circumstances, and to them, that's what CALEA means to them. > > How many times have we seen a big flap in the news because some low level > flunkie took a laptop home, or whatever? Those are only the things that > make the news. > > How long will you be collecting data? Are you going to have someone to > physically be there? If not, and if the location isn't secure, alarmed, > and locked, POOF. You're toast. And so's the case for the LEA. > > Your data has obvious gaps in the packets... Do you think that "there's > packet loss between the access point and my collection point" going to > mollify someone wanting to make an example of you? Nope. First rule > of > law... if you can't prosecute the criminal, get the guy watching him...". > YOU will be the target and they'll come guns blazing. It would be better > for you to say you can't do it, than to do it and then let them down. > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > <insert witty tagline here> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association > Was:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking > > >> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>>Forrest, let me get back to the very old conversation about why >>>WISPA should organized at least 1500 filings to the FCC by every >>>WISP they could get to act, to say "This cannot be done". >> >> Your fears are unfounded and not based in reality. I understand, >> now, why you think it will cost so much. You are simply incorrect >> in nearly all of your assumptions. Have you even read the standard? >> The Law? Nowhere in either will you find ANY of what you are >> talking about. >> >>>3. Once your data is collected, it must be remain secure. You >>>must have a safe or a vault in which to keep it, expressly and >>>solely for the purpose of >> >> This is ludicrous. Your whole post, I mean, not just this one >> point, though this one is the most laughable. >> >> >> -- >> ******************************************************************** >> *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *http://blog.butchevans.com/ *Wired or wireless Networks * >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer * >> ******************************************************************** >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
