This is where I am sadly going to post to you sometime in the near future...

I told you so.

And that will be the saddest day for all of us.

I have no "unfounded fears".   I just read and understand precisely what 
these things mean.   It won't be the first one, it won't be the second one. 
It may not even be the first time someone's data doesn't work out for LEA 
that things go sour.   But it WILL happen.   YOU will find yourself 
explaining your mechanism for security, confidentiality, and so on.   And 
those are the aspects that will kill us.

No matter what the folks who liason with you at the FCC or FBI, they don't 
speak for the irritated prosecutors or agents who will not have had ny 
quality control over the data themselves, and so will dump on YOU.    And 
they do intend for you to do this JUST LIKE THE PHONE COMPANY.   That means 
the locked buildings, the hard lines, the secure data storage, and on and 
on.    I'm not kidding.   There's a reason the reports insist on you 
explaining your plan for each of these things, including the chain of 
custody for the data and your security plan.  They expect a specific set of 
circumstances, and to them, that's what CALEA means to them.

How many times have we seen a big flap in the news because some low level 
flunkie took a laptop home, or whatever?    Those are only the things that 
make the news.

How long will you be collecting data?   Are you going to have someone to 
physically be there?   If not, and if the location isn't secure, alarmed, 
and locked, POOF.   You're toast.   And so's the case for the LEA.

Your data has obvious gaps in the packets...   Do you think that "there's 
packet loss between the access point and my collection point" going to 
mollify someone wanting to make an example of you?    Nope.   First rule of 
law... if you can't prosecute the criminal, get the guy watching him...". 
YOU will be the target and they'll come guns blazing.   It would be better 
for you to say you can't do it, than to do it and then let them down.






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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association 
Was:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking


> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Forrest, let me get back to the very old conversation about why
>>WISPA should organized at least 1500 filings to the FCC by every
>>WISP they could get to act, to say "This cannot be done".
>
> Your fears are unfounded and not based in reality.  I understand,
> now, why you think it will cost so much.  You are simply incorrect
> in nearly all of your assumptions.  Have you even read the standard?
> The Law?  Nowhere in either will you find ANY of what you are
> talking about.
>
>>3.  Once your data is collected, it must be remain secure.  You
>>must have a safe or a vault in which to keep it, expressly and
>>solely for the purpose of
>
> This is ludicrous.  Your whole post, I mean, not just this one
> point, though this one is the most laughable.
>
>
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