I thought Lyons sounded familiar... a coax route went from a facility near here to that facility.
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "jp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! > I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of > AT&T Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for > federal defense and communications interests. Here is one example > > http://long-lines.net/places-routes/Lyons_NE/index.html > > They must have been either richer than the feds or federally funded to > be able to build their infrastructure to the high standards needed to > survive nuclear war. If you think someone is milking the government a > little with a small community homeland security radio project, AT&T had > the whole milk processing plant metaphorically speaking. > > If the feds didn't build it, surely they rebuilt it to their standards > with fat contracts to a monopoly provider. > > I have personally built and tested many analog phones for the federal > government that sold for $1000 each in some cases; the company I was > working for that had this contract had bid against AT&T to get it. If > the phones cost that much, I can't imagine that the services cost. > > Now RUS is financing Crossroads, a mostly redundant and unnecesary > cellular network meant to benefit the ILECs who are not verizon. > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 10:11:27AM -0600, Chuck McCown wrote: >> The phone system was not developed by tax dollars. >> It was developed by guys like Art Brothers who hand built miles of open >> wire >> pole lines by himself. >> He later got loans from the REA (later to become the RUS) to improve his >> system. A program that serves as a profit center for the us government. >> You all should be thanking the RUS for making your income tax bill lower >> through money that flows from that program to the general fund. >> >> Do you really think Ma Bell was not profitable and had to be supported by >> taxes? >> When I think of blue chip stock, I think of the old AT&T. >> >> How was the phone system developed by tax dollars? 120 years ago there >> was >> a boom in telecommunications with in some cases multiple LECs in the same >> city. Government regulation stepped in to create the monopoly and to tax >> it. But they did not build the bell system or any of the independents. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >> >> >> > Chuck, so your definition of a "tax" is if you are forced to pay? >> > Keeping in mind that the phone system was developed as a public >> > utility by tax dollars that we all were forced to pay. IMO, that means >> > that we should be able use it without being encumbered by fees other >> > than what are necessary to support the system is was designed for. Am >> > I really off base here? >> > -RickG >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> >> Use magic jack, ham radio, smoke signals, skype or the post office. >> >> Your telephone bill comes from a commercial enterprise. >> >> You do not have to participate. >> >> Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program. >> >> That is not a tax. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between >> >>>> school >> >>>> districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and >> >>>> provider >> >>>> of >> >>>> goods and services of E-rate funded projects. The audits have not >> >>>> shown >> >>>> any >> >>>> telephone company to be misusing this money. >> >>>> >> >>>> And I want to repeat, this is not taxpayer money. Most of this >> >>>> money >> >>>> is >> >>>> from a charge tacked onto the bills of the RBOC customers. It is >> >>>> revenue >> >>>> pooling and re-distribution. >> >>>> >> >>>> So, lets back off the "misuse by telephone company" tone of this >> >>>> discussion. >> >>>> If we want to point fingers, you will find the fingers are pointing >> >>>> at >> >>>> the >> >>>> local networking and ISP companies. That is the major source of the >> >>>> misuse. >> >>>> The second is cell phone companies claiming to be providing pots >> >>>> service >> >>>> to >> >>>> rural customers via tellular units. 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