Lyons was one of the power feed stations. Very cool place. It is now in private ownership - a telephone collector owns it.
Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >I thought Lyons sounded familiar... a coax route went from a facility near > here to that facility. > > > ---------- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:19 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! > >> I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of >> AT&T Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for >> federal defense and communications interests. Here is one example >> >> http://long-lines.net/places-routes/Lyons_NE/index.html >> >> They must have been either richer than the feds or federally funded to >> be able to build their infrastructure to the high standards needed to >> survive nuclear war. If you think someone is milking the government a >> little with a small community homeland security radio project, AT&T had >> the whole milk processing plant metaphorically speaking. >> >> If the feds didn't build it, surely they rebuilt it to their standards >> with fat contracts to a monopoly provider. >> >> I have personally built and tested many analog phones for the federal >> government that sold for $1000 each in some cases; the company I was >> working for that had this contract had bid against AT&T to get it. If >> the phones cost that much, I can't imagine that the services cost. >> >> Now RUS is financing Crossroads, a mostly redundant and unnecesary >> cellular network meant to benefit the ILECs who are not verizon. >> >> On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 10:11:27AM -0600, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> The phone system was not developed by tax dollars. >>> It was developed by guys like Art Brothers who hand built miles of open >>> wire >>> pole lines by himself. >>> He later got loans from the REA (later to become the RUS) to improve his >>> system. A program that serves as a profit center for the us government. >>> You all should be thanking the RUS for making your income tax bill lower >>> through money that flows from that program to the general fund. >>> >>> Do you really think Ma Bell was not profitable and had to be supported >>> by >>> taxes? >>> When I think of blue chip stock, I think of the old AT&T. >>> >>> How was the phone system developed by tax dollars? 120 years ago there >>> was >>> a boom in telecommunications with in some cases multiple LECs in the >>> same >>> city. Government regulation stepped in to create the monopoly and to >>> tax >>> it. But they did not build the bell system or any of the independents. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:04 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >>> >>> >>> > Chuck, so your definition of a "tax" is if you are forced to pay? >>> > Keeping in mind that the phone system was developed as a public >>> > utility by tax dollars that we all were forced to pay. IMO, that means >>> > that we should be able use it without being encumbered by fees other >>> > than what are necessary to support the system is was designed for. Am >>> > I really off base here? >>> > -RickG >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> Use magic jack, ham radio, smoke signals, skype or the post office. >>> >> Your telephone bill comes from a commercial enterprise. >>> >> You do not have to participate. >>> >> Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program. >>> >> That is not a tax. >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:52 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between >>> >>>> school >>> >>>> districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and >>> >>>> provider >>> >>>> of >>> >>>> goods and services of E-rate funded projects. The audits have not >>> >>>> shown >>> >>>> any >>> >>>> telephone company to be misusing this money. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> And I want to repeat, this is not taxpayer money. Most of this >>> >>>> money >>> >>>> is >>> >>>> from a charge tacked onto the bills of the RBOC customers. It is >>> >>>> revenue >>> >>>> pooling and re-distribution. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So, lets back off the "misuse by telephone company" tone of this >>> >>>> discussion. >>> >>>> If we want to point fingers, you will find the fingers are pointing >>> >>>> at >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> local networking and ISP companies. That is the major source of >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> misuse. >>> >>>> The second is cell phone companies claiming to be providing pots >>> >>>> service >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> rural customers via tellular units. 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