There is already an SR3 card. I would HIGHLY suggest you test it throughly before deploying.
-Matt On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: > That would be great... but is there a time frame? > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> There are companies out there working on non-802.11 3.65 GHz >> systems that provide the same spectral efficiency as WiMAX, but >> without the WiMAX hype price tag. >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> From: Travis Johnson >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:30 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 >> >> >> Matt, >> >> I agree. We are looking at the same thing... putting up some >> 3.65ghz AP's on our "bigger" towers and moving heavy usage >> customers to that. However, until base stations are less than $8k, >> the WiMax people can keep spending money on advertising, trade- >> shows, etc. telling us how great they are, I'm not going to buy. >> >> When you can buy a licensed microwave radio link for $8k (less >> antennas), and you know the company is making money, there is no >> reason 3.65ghz base stations have to be $8k+. >> >> Hopefully at some point, they will wake up and realize there is an >> entire market they are missing. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >> I'm with Travis on this, with the exception of using StarOS instead >> of >> Mikrotik. It is nice to have a set of standard, mature tools such >> as >> radius, cbq/iptable rules and standard, non-vendor specific >> hardware to >> work with instead of having to use a limited, proprietary system >> limited >> to a single vendor. I've deployed/consulted on 802.11 a/b/g networks >> representing 8000+ CPE units and it can be made to work just fine as >> long as it is managed properly. Travis is a pro, and he has the >> experience to design his network in such a way as to maximize the >> performance of his equipment. There are many others out there >> having >> the same success. >> >> FWIW, I believe the most logical next step is to start moving heavy >> usage customers over to 3.65 WiMAX gear starting next spring. I >> think >> we are near the threshold of what is going to be possible with >> unlicensed equipment - barring some kind of amazing breakthrough. I >> foresee a need to deploy smaller and smaller cells to maintain the >> desired performance level. It helps to have 10mhz channel sizes >> available to maximize the utilization of existing spectrum, but even >> that is starting to get awfully crowded. Whitespaces sure would >> help. >> >> I spent the last two years putting up 802.11a based APs across my >> entire >> service area and migrating customers from 2.4 to them to get the >> higher >> ARPU from faster speeds and VOIP service. I foresee spending the >> next >> two years deploying licensed backhauls and 3.65 APs starting with >> the >> high traffic areas and working out to the fringes. Its the >> neverending >> story. >> >> Matt Larsen >> vistabeam.com >> >> >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static IP >> address. >> We also a assign a static IP address to every radio (for management). >> >> When I posted the question a month ago about how to force an SM to >> connect to a specific AP on a tower, the only answer was "color >> code". >> This isn't really an option, as that means the installer has to >> change >> the color code in the field. All of our current radios are setup and >> ready to connect to ANY tower and ANY AP on that tower without the >> installer doing anything in the field. >> >> And how does first level tech support even find the correct radio >> in the >> AP list for a customer on the phone? They have to scroll through 160 >> people to find them by MAC address? >> >> Yes, Canopy is a slower radio in today's world. 14Mbps of total >> throughput on a 20mhz channel is SLOW. Using Mikrotik I can get >> 30Mbps >> (double the speed) on the same channel size. Or I can use a 10mhz >> channel and get 15Mbps. And all these speeds can be delivered via >> upload >> or download or any combination, I don't have to set a specific >> percentage of up/down. >> >> And how do you guarantee 7ms latency? What happens if a customer gets >> 8ms? And how do they test that measurement? And what happens when a >> customer completely clobbers an AP and 160 customers are getting 20ms >> latency? Or you have interference from a new provider and all those >> people get 100ms latency? >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> >> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >> >> All of the complaints are easily overcome with the proper >> management software, DHCP reservations etc. You can easily force >> the SM to connect to the exact AP you want a couple different >> ways. And there are several non motorola software packages that do >> this kind of stuff. We have 5000 subs on it and we don't break a >> sweat in managing any of this. >> >> We put 128-160 customers per AP and they all still get 10.2 Mbps >> burst. Slower radio? That seems pretty fast to me. >> And we guarantee latency to 7 mS. Hmmm, that is pretty hard to do >> with anyone else. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> We've tried Canopy... twice in fact... once about 3 years ago, and >> once about a month ago. We just can't make it fit into our network >> management (IP database, Call tracking, customer management, etc.) >> system very well... having customer radios that change their LUID >> and IP address every time they register, having to set the >> bandwidth on each SM instead of the AP, having no security or ways >> to control which AP a customer connects to without having to buy >> their software, etc. >> >> All that, plus paying MORE for a slower radio than what we are >> using just didn't make sense. I can put up an AP (2.4ghz, 5.3ghz, >> 5.4ghz, or 5.8ghz) for less than >> $400 that will support 50 customers, using only 10mhz wide >> channels... and each CPE is less than $175 complete (including PoE, >> antenna). >> >> Canopy seems to work well for many people... but I've never been >> one to follow the "norm". And I get to put $50 in my pocket on >> every install, and $1,000 for every AP we put up. ;) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >> Well that is a testimony to your quality of service for sure. >> Now, if you were using Canopy your customers would be even happier! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> I have Qwest DSL, CableOne, another WISP (doing "up to 4meg" for >> $29.95 >> with Canopy), and a licensed WiMax (2.5ghz) provider (doing "up to >> 2meg", mobile, for $29.95). I have a lot of competition... and yet we >> have no sales people, no real advertising campaign, and more installs >> than we can keep up with each month. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >> You must not have competitors. I have both Qwest and Comcast >> giving away >> multi megabit starting at $15.95 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> I guess that's my point... why offer more bandwidth than you have >> to? >> Most people don't need more than 1meg, and that's our most popular >> package for $39.95 per month (total, no modem rental fee, etc.). >> Why give >> away the farm if you don't have to? :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >> Wow, with all that bandwidth, I'm surprised you dont offer higher >> speeds. >> >> Technically speaking, the download & upload price is the same. From a >> cost standpoint, I allocate the download & upload separately >> because I >> am "forced" to pay dearly ($1200/month) to AT&T for my dual T1's >> which >> are required for "decent" upload speeds. Right now, my traffic is >> split so all port 80 traffic flows though the 4Mbps x 2Mbps >> connection >> through Time Warner which runs over $500/month. This works fairly >> well >> for now since about half the traffic is web browsing. When I bought >> this WISP there was no management, monitoring or reporting. I took >> care of the management & monitoring and I'm working on the reporting. >> The best thing I've done is replace the StarOS firewall with Mikrotik >> and set up traffic priority. >> Whew! Lots of work. At any rate, I'm working on my upstream >> connection >> next. I really need to get the cost down. >> >> Thanks! -RickG >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Rick, >> >> Yes, all of our packages are symmetrical speeds (same download and >> upload). >> So if they buy our 512k package, they get 512k down x 512k up all the >> time. >> They are not "dedicated" connections, but rather you get what you >> pay for >> connections. We still oversubscribe users on an AP, but only to the >> point >> where each AP is running around 60% capacity during peak times, thus >> leaving >> room for bursts, etc. We graph and monitor every single AP (over >> 200 of >> them) and every single user (bandwidth, packets, RSSI, etc.) so we >> always >> know what's happening on our network. >> >> We currently have three full OC-3 (155Mbps) dedicated connections >> to the >> backbone. On average, we pay $40/meg for bandwidth. Why is your >> upload >> price >> different than your download price? >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >> >> Travis, >> >> Nice work! Therefore, you are selling dedicated bandwidth to all of >> your customers. In other words, if all your customers run speed test >> at the same time they will get what their plan allows. If you dont >> mind, I have a few questions: >> Is the above scenario true for upload speed as well as download >> speed? >> What are you paying for your upstream connection? >> What type of upstream connection do you have? >> >> I'd like to be there and I keep hoping cheap bandwidth comes my way. >> When you are paying $150/meg for download and $400/meg for upload, >> the >> business model is tough. >> >> -RickG >> >> BTW: I'd take this offlist if you prefer but I think this is a >> problem >> that many us us small WISP's face. >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Every customer can get the speed they are paying for ANY time they >> run a >> speed test. We offer packages from 512k to 2.5meg for residential >> customers >> and they always get what they pay for (download AND upload, which >> is the >> same for all of our packages). >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >> >> Travis, >> >> If I understand this correctly, you have at least 1Mbps or higher of >> bandwidth for every customer? >> >> -RickG >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> We deliver what the customers pay for. If they purchase a 1Mbps >> package, >> they get 1Mbps 24x7 (with no monthly bit caps). Personally I have >> never >> liked the "up to" speed packages... it's like going to Walmart and >> buying milk. You can pay $3 for a full 1 gallon, or you can pay $2 >> for >> "up to" a gallon (without really knowing how much you are going to >> get, >> but it will be somewhere between nothing and a full gallon). >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> >> Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much >> bandwidth that >> you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes of downloading. >> And >> what >> do you tell them when they start complaining about the throttled down >> speed. >> (they don't know your throttling them though) >> >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> -------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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