I have a friend in Fairbanks, AK.. He bikes everywhere (@-40!)... He laughs at prius drivers because they all have the heat on all the time! How do you get heat? You run the engine.. Constantly!
heh! ryan Randy Cosby wrote: > One other thing to consider: The gas engine in hybrids are often "tuned > down" so they are just about gutless, but very lean on gas. On hot 115+ > days here, the electric on my old Prius will shut off to keep the > batteries from having problems. It's sometimes scary trying to pull out > into an intersection in that condition. > > Randy > > > Chuck Bartosch wrote: > >> Obviously a hybrid has a hybrid engine or it wouldn't be a hybrid. It >> can't kick the saved braking energy into a gas engine, hence the need >> for the second engine. As I understand it, a hybrid also saves because >> they are often designed to shut off the gas engine when coasting, >> slowing, stopped or idling (non hybrids *could* be designed that way >> too, if you trusted the engine to always start back up), and to >> provide an acceleration boost, allowing the gas engine to work in a >> more efficient range. >> >> A hybrid gains gas mileage at low speeds partly because it recovers >> braking energy, not because it has an electric engine per se. If you >> could recover braking energy and use it in a conventional car and shut >> off the engine when slowing, stopping, and idling, it'd have better >> gas mileage too when you drive slower due to reduce aero drag. >> >> The truth is, if you drove a hybrid for 400 miles at 30 MPH without >> braking and the same car with a conventional engine for 200 miles at >> 30 MPH without braking, you should end up with pretty much the same MPG. >> >> Starting a gas engine to charge a battery to run an electric engine >> loses energy every time an energy conversion is made (gas to >> mechanical to stored electrical back to mechanical). However, if >> you're accelerating a lot, the electric engine picks up a big >> advantage, especially if the driver is a lead foot, because that's >> what electrical engines are good at...going from stopped to 'fast' >> without a lot of waste. As far as I am aware, that is the primary >> reason to use *gas* to charge batteries to run an electric motor >> because otherwise it'd be *less* efficient, and IS less efficient in >> constant load driving (say highway driving in flat areas). >> >> On the other hand, at constant highway speeds, hybrid and conventional >> cars are essentially the same though hybrid cars are often designed >> with more attention to gas saving than conventional cars so they eke >> out a bit more for reasons that could have been applied to the >> conventional car (for example, possibly shutting off the engine when >> coasting down a slight hill). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Feb 12, 2009, at 9:44 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: >> >> >> >>> That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy >>> Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries >>> in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the >>> battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas >>> powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine >>> but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up >>> to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have >>> the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when >>> breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic >>> mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. >>> >>> /Eje >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 >>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle >>> >>> >>> Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* >>> otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not >>> breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on >>> the highway. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I >>>> didn't even >>>> look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) >>>> are often >>>> no better than any other rig. >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> You can still drive a hybrid... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM10000085d0eb0aRCRD >>>>> >>>>> UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid >>>>> technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over >>>>> 40 mpg. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Mark Nash" <markl...@uwol.net> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I always thought of buying a hybrid... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around >>>>>> just to >>>>>> say >>>>>> that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark Nash >>>>>> UnwiredWest >>>>>> 78 Centennial Loop >>>>>> Suite E >>>>>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>>>>> 541-998-5555 >>>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "D. Ryan Spott" <rsp...@cspott.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: >>>>>>> "Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> D. Ryan Spott >>>>>>> rsp...@cspott.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling >>>>>>>> our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark Nash wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was >>>>>>>>> speeding >>>>>>>>> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. >>>>>>>>> Had 4 >>>>>>>>> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ...I get 10 on a good day. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark Nash >>>>>>>>> UnwiredWest >>>>>>>>> 78 Centennial Loop >>>>>>>>> Suite E >>>>>>>>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>>>>>>>> 541-998-5555 >>>>>>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>>>>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <o...@odessaoffice.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> fyi, it's not a van... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's >>>>>>>>>> HAUL!!!!). Had >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> kids, >>>>>>>>>> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride >>>>>>>>>> suspension >>>>>>>>>> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> nearly >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got >>>>>>>>>> one of >>>>>>>>>> them, >>>>>>>>>> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They have some of those on ebay too: >>>>>>>>>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> laters, >>>>>>>>>> Marlon >>>>>>>>>> (509) 982-2181 >>>>>>>>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services >>>>>>>>>> 42846865 (icq) WISP Operator >>>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>> 1999! >>>>>>>>>> o...@odessaoffice.com >>>>>>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>>>>>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in >>>>>>>>>>> heaven - >>>>>>>>>>> my main >>>>>>>>>>> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and >>>>>>>>>>> cold just >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> not mix. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, >>>>>>>>>>> poorly. >>>>>>>>>>> --- Henry Spencer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) >>>>>>>>>>> 982-2181 < >>>>>>>>>>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the >>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>> seat. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure >>>>>>>>>>>> and is >>>>>>>>>>>> totally >>>>>>>>>>>> loaded. It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no >>>>>>>>>>>> real flaws. >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show >>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>> at first. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach. >>>>>>>>>>>> Everything >>>>>>>>>>>> else >>>>>>>>>>>> sits >>>>>>>>>>>> well inside. As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> winter >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> cold in the summer. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best of all? No one else drives around with a ladder on top >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYONE knows my rig. That alone is a nice sales too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Marlon >>>>>>>>>>>> (509) 982-2181 >>>>>>>>>>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting >>>>>>>>>>>> services >>>>>>>>>>>> 42846865 (icq) WISP >>>>>>>>>>>> Operator >>>>>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>>>> 1999! >>>>>>>>>>>> o...@odessaoffice.com >>>>>>>>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless >>>>>>>>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1999 >>>>>>>>>>>>> f250 >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is at the end of it's road. 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