You are missing an opportunity there... Tell them you will provide them a 300Mbps full duplex link for $3,000 per month. Then go buy a Trango licensed link for $11k and make $3k a month profit after 4 months. :) Travis Microserv John Thomas wrote: Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you can legitimately run BGP and multi home? You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if necessary.I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include Internet access, only point to point. John Richey wrote:/rant on Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people might get a DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the beginning. If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a similar situation where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks are non portable. /rant off Richey -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are only using 4 class Cs? -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Thomas" <jtho...@quarnet.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARINIf you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) John Marlon K. Schafer wrote:We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? marlon---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----WISPA Wants You! 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