I disagree with that Richey. You can filter out all but email traffic and your customers can still have that. It will be slower, but many customers can't LIVE without email.
Regards, Jeff ImageStream -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richey Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? I read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. Even at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will never really use. You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your traffic rolls over to the T1. Richey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you can legitimately run BGP and multi home? You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if necessary. I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include Internet access, only point to point. John Richey wrote: > /rant on > > Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a > market where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people > might get a > DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For > those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their > connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home > in the > beginning. > > If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will > give you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a > similar situation > where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to > allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything > until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. > > The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP > multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard > for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP > blocks are non portable. > > /rant off > > Richey > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Cliff Olle > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 > days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case > you are only using 4 class Cs? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Scott Piehn > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. > > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Thomas" <[email protected]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > > >> If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if >> you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) >> >> John >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class >>> c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. >>> >>> Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > >>> WISPA Wants You! 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