That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they are starting out.
Richey -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Hi Mike, I can't agree more! Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to get true diversity. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being afraid of it. BGP will bring you closer to more parts of the Internet and will protect you from routing problems on the net. oh, and make sure the two lines you get are completely diverse. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richey" <myli...@battleop.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:45 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? > I > read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. > Even at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will > never really > use. You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your traffic > rolls over to the T1. > > Richey > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of John Thomas > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that > you can legitimately run BGP and multi home? > You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe > if necessary. > > I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We > have a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 > blocks apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* > include Internet access, only point to point. > > John > > Richey wrote: >> /rant on >> >> Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a >> market where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many >> people might get > a >> DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For >> those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their >> connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home >> in > the >> beginning. >> >> If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will >> give you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a >> similar > situation >> where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to >> allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not >> do anything until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. >> >> The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP >> multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard >> for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their >> IP blocks are non portable. >> >> /rant off >> >> Richey >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Cliff Olle >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 >> days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the >> case you are only using 4 class Cs? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Scott Piehn >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> One add to the /22. 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