Unfortunately, the requirements are based on what they think a routing slot in the BGP table costs, and they want to keep that manageable. There has been discussion on the ARIN list about reducing the requirement to a /24 for PI space both single and multi homed. The thought being that there are probably a lot of people that have a /20 that only have it because they want PI space and don't want to be locked into their ISP.
There is not reason someone couldn't utilize their second T-1, and I am not advocating buying it and not using it. The question becomes, is it worth the money to have a slow connection, or no connection at all. I am not out to start a flame war here. As far as I am concerned, if I am a business and I am buying business class service from you, and paying business class money for that service, I expect you to have redundant upstreams. I do not expect to pay $50 for that service. CovadWireless gets $349 per month for business class 1.5 Meg Internet access, and they have multiple upstreams. I realize that this will be argued until the cows come home, but when you offer business class service with SLA's you can't do it for $50 per month. Jerry over at Aircloud is doing a 2 meg connection for $179 per month, and has been doing right by his clients. John Richey wrote: > Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? I > read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. Even > at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will never really > use. You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your traffic > rolls over to the T1. > > Richey > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of John Thomas > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you > can legitimately run BGP and multi home? > You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if > necessary. > > I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have > a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks > apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include > Internet access, only point to point. > > John > > Richey wrote: > >> /rant on >> >> Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market >> where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people might get >> > a > >> DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For >> those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their >> connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in >> > the > >> beginning. >> >> If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give >> you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a similar >> > situation > >> where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate >> any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything >> until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. >> >> The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP >> multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard for >> the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks >> are non portable. >> >> /rant off >> >> Richey >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Cliff Olle >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days >> or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are >> only using 4 class Cs? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Scott Piehn >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. >> >> >> Scott >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Thomas" <[email protected]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> >> >> >>> If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if >>> you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> >>> >>>> We probably need to get our own ip addys now. 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