The language of point 3 is targetting heavy "users", not "applications" that may be heavy under some, even common, circumstances. While it seems like a small detail, it is, in fact, a big distinction--why should I be blocked from using bit torrent to download a gutenberg ebook (ie legal & small) because my neighbor is doing warez full throttle, 24/7/365?
Genachowski specifically alluded to Comcast degrading bit torrent traffic, something that Comcast claimed to be doing for reasons of network management and blocking of illegal content. Waving the illegal content flag is, in my opinion, very short sighted: - Legal video streaming services (hulu, netflix on demand) are rising. These are worse, in a lot of ways, than the bit torrent model since it requires a sustained throughput to provide a usable customer experience. They also often use HTTP or other common protocols. - Bit Torrent itself is trending more "legal"; major content providers and software companies are using it for legal distribution of content while the illegal content is making its way to other networks that are more secure / private - Last, but certainly not least, content providers are VERY eager to sign up the ISPs as "content" cops. Once you start down that road, you may very well find yourself as an operator having given away your own safe harbor rights and having the legal obligation to police your network for bad content. In general, it's hard to not see the WISPs taking the side of major MSOs, RBOCs, and content providers as a dangerous game. It's one thing to decide to block bit torrent because it carries a large percentage of illegal content. It's another thing when you have to implement, at your own expense, url / ip filtering, install deep packet inspection hardware (VERY expensive), and other extensive, expensive, and very time consuming process or face repeated and ongoing liability every time some kid on your network wants to duck out on paying 99c for an mp3. The content providers have been pushing for this for years; if ISPs start dancing the same tune to win the "right" to do some occasional fiddling with some packets, it would likely shift the balance of power. Given that many of the major service providers (Comcast, Time Warner, etc...) are also major content providers meaning that the expenses of manditory content filtering carried by the service provider business are offset by potential increases in profitability for the content producing side of the house. You, on the other hand, have nothing to gain here. You thought CALEA was bad? -Clint Ricker On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Curtis Maurand <cmaur...@xyonet.com> wrote: > > Take a look at the third and the fifth bullet points. > > --C > > Clint Ricker wrote: > > Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? > The > > speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The > Julius > > Genachowski's recent speech specifically said "no prioritization"--refer > to > > section 5. > > > > - "This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their > > networks" (blocking / deprioritizing) > > - "or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others > in > > the connection to subscribers' homes" (prioritizing) > > - "During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be > appropriate > > for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone > > else" (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) > > - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to > metro > > Ethernet with QOS) > > - "open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and > > applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of > copyrighted > > works, which has serious economic consequences." (As I said in my Senate > > confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful > content, > > services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution > of > > copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) > > > > Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? > > > > Thanks, > > -Clint Ricker > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net > >wrote: > > > > > >> Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize > >> anything, > >> but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this > list). > >> They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible > the > >> other is not. > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> > >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for > >> > >> > >>> You'd have to ask the FCC. Seems like it's the opposite side of the > same > >>> coin. > >>> > >>> Jeff > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett > >>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:51 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for > >>> > >>> What's the difference between prioritizing all traditional services > above > >>> other and deprioritizing the "bad" ones below other? > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> > >>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:07 PM > >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for > >>> > >>> > >>>> The FCC has said that you cannot de-prioritize any type of traffic. > You > >>>> have to do it by prioritizing other types of traffic. > >>>> > >>>> Jeff > >>>> ImageStream > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>>> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > >>>> > >> for > >> > >>>> I read the Fifth as I cannot discriminate - meaning block this but not > >>>> that. > >>>> It says nothing about shaping. > >>>> > >>>> Jerry > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:33 AM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > >>>> > >>>> http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html > >>>> > >>>> In addition to the four classic "Network neutrality" principles, the > FCC > >>>> plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: > >>>> > >>>> * "The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that > >>>> broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet > >>>> content > >>>> or applications." > >>>> * "The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that > >>>> providers > >>>> of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network > >>>> management practices." > >>>> > >>>> I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. "Nope, > >>>> doesn't > >>>> matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're > not > >>>> allowed to do anything about it." 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