We have evil on both sides of us!
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert West" <robert.w...@just-micro.com> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:37 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > If we really want to retain the right to prioritize, go rattle the chain > of > the RIAA. Put the bug in their ear that this will give more speed to the > torrents. They have a lobby group that can smack this down. > > Bob- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Clint Ricker > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? > The > speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The > Julius > Genachowski's recent speech specifically said "no prioritization"--refer > to > section 5. > > - "This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their > networks" (blocking / deprioritizing) > - "or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others in > the connection to subscribers' homes" (prioritizing) > - "During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be > appropriate > for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone > else" (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) > - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to > metro > Ethernet with QOS) > - "open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and > applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of > copyrighted > works, which has serious economic consequences." (As I said in my Senate > confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful > content, > services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution > of > copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) > > Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? > > Thanks, > -Clint Ricker > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett > <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>wrote: > >> Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize >> anything, >> but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this list). >> They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible the >> other is not. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for >> >> > You'd have to ask the FCC. Seems like it's the opposite side of the > same >> > coin. >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:51 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for >> > >> > What's the difference between prioritizing all traditional services > above >> > other and deprioritizing the "bad" ones below other? >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> >> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:07 PM >> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for >> > >> >> The FCC has said that you cannot de-prioritize any type of traffic. > You >> >> have to do it by prioritizing other types of traffic. >> >> >> >> Jeff >> >> ImageStream >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> On >> >> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >> >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting >> for >> >> >> >> I read the Fifth as I cannot discriminate - meaning block this but not >> >> that. >> >> It says nothing about shaping. >> >> >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> On >> >> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:33 AM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for >> >> >> >> http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html >> >> >> >> In addition to the four classic "Network neutrality" principles, the > FCC >> >> plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: >> >> >> >> * "The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that >> >> broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet >> >> content >> >> or applications." >> >> * "The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that >> >> providers >> >> of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network >> >> management practices." >> >> >> >> I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. "Nope, >> >> doesn't >> >> matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're > not >> >> allowed to do anything about it." 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