As APs I'm running Bullets with gain antennas, PS2's and NS2's so I've got the 
gain and great signals. I'm in a place where there's no interference of any 
kind. I'm already in the "sweet spot" as far as signal strength goes and 
clients are connecting at 54Mbps. What more is there to gain?

Greg

On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:09 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> Your average Wi-Fi AP comes with a 3dBi antenna or even a unity gain
> antenna... every 3-dB increase is double the power...
> 
> The trick though isn't that its pointing a 10dBi antenna pattern at a
> client, its that its taking it one step further and pointing that at the
> best possible path to the client, which in an indoor environment is rarely
> the most direct path.
> 
> I could pull out a few graphs that Ruckus has done to illustrate the
> point... but the Toms Hardware article is the most unbiased review of the
> gear out there
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
> 
> Seems hard to believe that if I took a 10dbi antenna which isn't all that
> much gain and put it on my AP and pointed it at my client I'd see that much
> of a gain.
> 
> Greg
> 
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:43 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>> There are over 4,000 antenna patterns, with the relative gain of the best
>> ones up to 10dBi... the magic is though that the AP also uses the patterns
>> they transmit on to receive on... so the gain is bi-directional instead of
>> blasting the signal out but not having any mechanism in place for the
> client
>> to be heard.  The AP can also selectively put noise in up to a -15dBi
>> null... which can be helpful.
>> 
>> I would be curious in what indoor environment there isn't multi-path :-)
>> 
>> Anyways, if you have doubts... Tom's Hardware (which is as unbiased as it
>> gets) did some testing against Cisco and Aruba.  If you want to see the
>> power of beamforming, I'd encourage you to read this article all the way
>> through.  It gives a very detailed explanation of the magic behind Ruckus.
>> 
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html
>> 
>> 
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:26 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
>> 
>> Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming"
> gain
>> isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then the
>> performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or multi
>> path issues.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> 
>>> Depends on your definition of economical :-)
>>> 
>>> Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the antenna
>>> array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2
> as
>>> many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik
>>> system
>>> 
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
>>> 
>>> I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to
> either
>>> technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled,
> is
>>> WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly
>>> bridges the network?  Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be
>>> silly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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