The gear isn't designed to be deployed in a house in suburbia (well with the
exception of media flex)... it competes in the enterprise market with Cisco,
Aruba, Meraki, Aerohive, Symbol, etc. etc. etc.  Its designed to be deployed
in schools, in hospitals, in hotels, in the SMB... where there is no IT
staff to learn Mikrotik and where performance is critical.  There is a whole
laundry list of features Ruckus has that are patented... beamforming is just
the cool one for the geeks.

Read up on the 802.11n protocol... and you will see beamforming is part of
it.  Ruckus holds a lot of patents on their antenna technology... which
complicates other vendors from doing it.  Furthermore, it's all about how a
company looks at Wi-Fi.  Almost every other companies AP is an AP is an AP
with very similar characteristics, because the engineers focus on the
software or feature sets and let the chipset manufacturers do all of the
radio design.  Ruckus realizes to truly make Wi-Fi better you have to make
the antenna array, the radio, all better too.

I was skeptical of the product once too... then I saw what it could do in
person and was amazed.  I've now had the joy of showing off the product to
plenty of IT staff, people that get Wi-Fi, etc and see their jaws drop when
they see what this product can actually do.

In the Toms Hardware test... the Aruba gear was in there to provide the
baseline for everyone else's Wi-Fi.  The results speak for themselves.

To each their own, for sure :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question

Does a sector work any better when there's no interference or when there's
just a few clients? In a highly urban area like an apartment building that's
flooded with microwave ovens, cordless phones etc sure. But what about a
house in suburbia where there's no real interference?

I guess that Ruckus is the only one doing it makes me question the urgency.
Though I have to admit that at one time I was considering deploying their
products. I like the concept and I'd love to try them. But I fell prey to
the allure of MT and UBNT and once I started deploying that I wanted to stay
compatible. I think now my dream machine would be any great hardware (at a
good price) that could run RouterOS. I would love to see UBNT and MT get
together on some gear.

To each is own.

Greg

On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> No, because it does beamforming.  I believe Dan said it can use 4000 
> different antenna patterns.
> 
> What's better performing, an omni with a 30 dB radio or say an array of 6 
> sectors?  What about 4000 sectors?
> 
> 
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:57 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
> 
>> Yeah, I saw that, many times. Are there any other reviews? I suspect the 
>> good performance over and above a regular high quality AP is that it's 
>> dual band mesh. The Ruckus gear is dual band mesh right? I get a lot of 
>> hits when I Google "ruckus dual band mesh mediaflex" but the Ruckus site 
>> isn't totally clear. Could a little more directional gain really make
that 
>> much difference? I suspect head to head with other dual band mesh gear
the 
>> Ruckus gear would prove to be similar in performance. It needs to be an 
>> apples to apples comparison.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:26 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
>>> 
>>>> Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming"
>>>> gain isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then 
>>>> the
>>>> performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or 
>>>> multi
>>>> path issues.
>>>> 
>>>> Greg
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Depends on your definition of economical :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the 
>>>>> antenna
>>>>> array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying
1/2
>>>>> as
>>>>> many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own 
>>>>> Mikrotik
>>>>> system
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel White
>>>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to
>>>>> either
>>>>> technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes
drilled,
>>>>> is
>>>>> WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly
>>>>> bridges the network?  Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be
>>>>> silly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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