Are you talking indoor or outdoor?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:15 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question > As APs I'm running Bullets with gain antennas, PS2's and NS2's so I've got > the gain and great signals. I'm in a place where there's no interference > of any kind. I'm already in the "sweet spot" as far as signal strength > goes and clients are connecting at 54Mbps. What more is there to gain? > > Greg > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:09 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > >> Your average Wi-Fi AP comes with a 3dBi antenna or even a unity gain >> antenna... every 3-dB increase is double the power... >> >> The trick though isn't that its pointing a 10dBi antenna pattern at a >> client, its that its taking it one step further and pointing that at the >> best possible path to the client, which in an indoor environment is >> rarely >> the most direct path. >> >> I could pull out a few graphs that Ruckus has done to illustrate the >> point... but the Toms Hardware article is the most unbiased review of the >> gear out there >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:02 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question >> >> Seems hard to believe that if I took a 10dbi antenna which isn't all that >> much gain and put it on my AP and pointed it at my client I'd see that >> much >> of a gain. >> >> Greg >> >> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:43 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >>> There are over 4,000 antenna patterns, with the relative gain of the >>> best >>> ones up to 10dBi... the magic is though that the AP also uses the >>> patterns >>> they transmit on to receive on... so the gain is bi-directional instead >>> of >>> blasting the signal out but not having any mechanism in place for the >> client >>> to be heard. The AP can also selectively put noise in up to a -15dBi >>> null... which can be helpful. >>> >>> I would be curious in what indoor environment there isn't multi-path :-) >>> >>> Anyways, if you have doubts... Tom's Hardware (which is as unbiased as >>> it >>> gets) did some testing against Cisco and Aruba. If you want to see the >>> power of beamforming, I'd encourage you to read this article all the way >>> through. It gives a very detailed explanation of the magic behind >>> Ruckus. >>> >>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html >>> >>> >>> Daniel White >>> 3-dB Networks >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:26 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question >>> >>> Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming" >> gain >>> isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then the >>> performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or >>> multi >>> path issues. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: >>> >>>> Depends on your definition of economical :-) >>>> >>>> Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the >>>> antenna >>>> array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2 >> as >>>> many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own >>>> Mikrotik >>>> system >>>> >>>> Daniel White >>>> 3-dB Networks >>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question >>>> >>>> I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to >> either >>>> technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled, >> is >>>> WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly >>>> bridges the network? Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be >>>> silly. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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