I love people that do this. Sure, spend less, in six months when it is toast, I'll be here to tell you "I told you so"
Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 ---------------------------------------- From: "Robert West" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:49 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I went to all Crucial RAM quite a few years ago. They have a lifetime warranty and that in itself says much about the company. I have had to so a few RMA's with them though and it was all on the DDR2 when they were trying to try new things, I suppose, and the ball grid wasn't flowed correctly. Chips not making full contact at times. But they were smooth as could be with the RMA, no hassle at all. I love when retail customers come in asking to purchase ram and I give them, the Crucial price. "I can get it for less than half that on ebay" they say..... "Go get it off Ebay then." I've tested enough "Ebay" ram to say "It ain't quality!" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. > > I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West <[email protected]>wrote: > >> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components >> rather >> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 >> years >> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad >> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Charles Hooper >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. >> Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to >> becoming Value-Added Resellers. >> >> Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with >> HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able >> to hold someone else accountable. >> >> Regards, >> Charles >> >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >>> How can you be a system builder anymore? >>> >>> I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low >>> quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will >>> work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found >> for >>> system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom one-off >>> applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than >>> $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. >>> >>> I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is >>> significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point >> where >>> after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a >>> "distributor". >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Steven Barnes" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> >>>> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 >>>> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I >>>> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. >>>> Get a good distributor like ASI . >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck >>>>> with >>>>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with >> Maxtor >> >>>>> and >>>>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western >>>>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In >> my >>>>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >>>>> >>>>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive >> you >>>>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking >>>>> for >>>>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black edition" or >>>>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the >>>>> cheapy >>>>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not >> tested >>>>> before leaving the factory. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>> Network Engineer >>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>> >>>>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a let >>>>> down. Western Digital is the best. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but >>>>>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>> >>>>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> FYI. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>>>>>> >>>>>> terabyte) >>>>>> >>>>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should >>>>>>> backup >>>>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 can >> be >>>>>>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well >> as >> >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and >> thought >>>>>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were >>>>>>> flashed >>>>>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>>>>>> >>>>>> eventually >>>>>> >>>>>>> fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same >> time >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> installed at the same time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they >>>>>>> replaced >>>>>>> that one as well with no questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert West >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 740-335-7020 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Logo5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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