Runs on coal powered steam -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
> 1889." That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Robert West" <[email protected]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 >I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it >has, I just dunno. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Barnes" <[email protected]> >To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives > > >> Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year >> ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned >> on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum >> Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say >> the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time >> as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get >> it started. >> >> The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in >> 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the >> attached pictures hard drive >> 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and >> Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel >> universe. >> >> I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and >> well >> behaved. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... >> >> Every component is subject to failure. >> >> I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. >> >> Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... >> Samsung ram - feels like its all doa >> >> >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. >>> >>> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting >>> 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue >>> that counts." >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West >> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components >>>> rather >>>> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 >>>> years >>>> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the >> bad >>>> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Charles Hooper >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>> >>>> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. >>>> Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to >>>> becoming Value-Added Resellers. >>>> >>>> Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with >>>> HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being >> able >>>> to hold someone else accountable. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Charles >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> How can you be a system builder anymore? >>>>> >>>>> I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the >> low >>>>> quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop >> will >>>>> work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've >> found >>>> for >>>>> system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom >> one-off >>>>> applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less >> than >>>>> $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. >>>>> >>>>> I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... >> is >>>>> significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point >>>> where >>>>> after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a >>>>> "distributor". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Steven Barnes" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 >>>>>> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I >>>>>> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. >>>>>> Get a good distributor like ASI . >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good >> luck >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with >>>> Maxtor >>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO >> Western >>>>>>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! >> In >>>> my >>>>>>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive >>>> you >>>>>>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just >> asking >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black edition" >> or >>>>>>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the >>>>>>> cheapy >>>>>>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not >>>> tested >>>>>>> before leaving the factory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a >> let >>>>>>> down. Western Digital is the best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but >>>>>>>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FYI. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> terabyte) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they >> have >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should >>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 >> can >>>> be >>>>>>>>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the >> same >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As >> well >>>> as >>>> >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and >>>> thought >>>>>>>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were >>>>>>>>> flashed >>>>>>>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> eventually >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> fail. 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