I knew that made "winchesters" back then :) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson <[email protected]> wrote: > Runs on coal powered steam > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Scottie Arnett > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives > > >> 1889." > > That's a damn good hard drive. > > Scottie > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Robert West" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 > >>I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it >>has, I just dunno. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steven Barnes" <[email protected]> >>To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> >>> Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year >>> ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned >>> on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum >>> Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say >>> the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time >>> as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get >>> it started. >>> >>> The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in >>> 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the >>> attached pictures hard drive >>> 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Robert West >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and >>> Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel >>> universe. >>> >>> I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and >>> well >>> behaved. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... >>> >>> Every component is subject to failure. >>> >>> I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. >>> >>> Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... >>> Samsung ram - feels like its all doa >>> >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. >>>> >>>> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting >>>> 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue >>>> that counts." >>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components >>>>> rather >>>>> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 >>>>> years >>>>> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the >>> bad >>>>> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. >>>>> >>>>> Bob- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Charles Hooper >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>> >>>>> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. >>>>> Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to >>>>> becoming Value-Added Resellers. >>>>> >>>>> Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with >>>>> HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being >>> able >>>>> to hold someone else accountable. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>> How can you be a system builder anymore? >>>>>> >>>>>> I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the >>> low >>>>>> quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop >>> will >>>>>> work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've >>> found >>>>> for >>>>>> system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom >>> one-off >>>>>> applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less >>> than >>>>>> $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... >>> is >>>>>> significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point >>>>> where >>>>>> after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a >>>>>> "distributor". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Steven Barnes" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 >>>>>>> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I >>>>>>> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. >>>>>>> Get a good distributor like ASI . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good >>> luck >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with >>>>> Maxtor >>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO >>> Western >>>>>>>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! >>> In >>>>> my >>>>>>>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive >>>>> you >>>>>>>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just >>> asking >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black edition" >>> or >>>>>>>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the >>>>>>>> cheapy >>>>>>>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not >>>>> tested >>>>>>>> before leaving the factory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a >>> let >>>>>>>> down. Western Digital is the best. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but >>>>>>>>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FYI. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> terabyte) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they >>> have >>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should >>>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. 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