I have been quietly watching this discussion.... I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / clarify some thoughts / facts ....
T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services........ T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or Repeater.) T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) Muxes....These are larger expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber fed. While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out costs... these costs are high, in addition, the ILEC's are also aware that these High Cap transports are used by other Competitors and as such exercise full discretion on discouraging purchase of these circuits, by using extra inflated build out costs, and if you agree to pay that, then the 2nd option they use is extra extra long build out time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) would be Ethernet ...... 100Meg or Gig E.... While these are un-regulated services, which means an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of service to you and I or another Carrier.... however in many places (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service at that location. These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on a pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not discriminate against service providers... (most of them...) Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company..... Most power companies have a "Fiber / Network Division" they have been the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are aggressively selling services... I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service providers, just to be able to find out what are "On-Net" locations for them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the service from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to where you are.... Hope this helps. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: > In my previous life as an AT&T Cellular switch manager, we had > hundreds of T1's& T3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean > never. And we practically had a blank check! > -RickG > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmann<kh...@fire2wire.com> > wrote: > >> After about a year of getting the same response from AT&T after multiple >> order requests at different locations across our network, the guy in >> charge of building out fiber for the region called and said "what in the >> world are you guys doing?!?" He ended up giving us the location of a >> few fiber terminals in the area. We found the ones closest to our >> network, made an agreement with a tenant nearby, and did a wireless PtP >> to connect it to our network. >> >> Moral of the story, we were shooting in the dark until we had an "in" in >> the right department at AT&T. >> >> On a related note, does anyone have an experience with Charter's fiber >> services? >> >> >> -- >> Kristian Hoffmann >> System Administrator >> kh...@fire2wire.com >> http://www.fire2wire.com >> >> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE >> >> >> On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 22:33 -0500, Roger Howard wrote: >> >>> Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running my >>> business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I could >>> order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so. >>> >>> Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without >>> huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3. >>> I managed to get around it because otherwise AT&T would have had to >>> install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep >>> offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install. >>> But you may not be that fortunate. >>> >>> I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads up >>> to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to >>> needing t3 type capacity. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Roger >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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